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September 16, 2014 10:57 am at 10:57 am #613690maayanMember
For an article in Mishpacha, I am looking for frum Jews who served as jurors. The more interesting case, of course, the better. If you or somebody you know fits that description – please let me know!
September 16, 2014 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1033174jewishfeminist02MemberNo, I haven’t even been a juror. For that matter, I haven’t ever been a juror, either.
My mom has been a juror, and I’m sure she’d be willing to talk about it, but since exchanging private contact information is not allowed here, I’m not sure how you can get in touch with her. Other than her posting here, of course, which would kind of steal your article’s thunder, so to speak.
September 16, 2014 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #1033175popa_bar_abbaParticipantI was on the OJ jury. I walked into the jury room after the trial, and very softly started drumming my fingers on the table, then eventually very softly chanting “it does not fit! You must acquit!” Then louder and louder until one juror joined, then a second, then all of them, and still louder and louder until the bailiff came in to stop us, but he just joined, and then the other bailiff and he joined also, and then the lawyers heard and they joined and the crowd in the courtroom! And the judge was joining! And they heard us in the streets and everybody stopped and joined! And people were crying and hugging and slitting their ex’s throats and driving around in Bronco’s and the whole country came together just like at the trial of the Rodney King policemen.
September 16, 2014 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1033176☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantOMG popa, that was you??!!
September 16, 2014 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #1033178maayanMemberWell, apperantly my post was deleted because I suggestd a poster’s mom will email the *official* address of the Hebrew edition of Mishpacha magazine. I am suggesting that again, only without the link. Use google to find the email address, the office will do the rest.
September 16, 2014 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1033179charliehallParticipantI served on a federal grand jury for a month. Totally boring. 80% of our indictments were for illegal entry into the US. (And they say that the Obama administration isn’t enforcing the immigration laws?)
September 16, 2014 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1033181TheGoqParticipantCH how many of those illegal immigrants do you think are still here? percentage please?
September 17, 2014 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1033182JosephParticipantI was rejected for inclusion on the jury panel after mentioning jury nullification when being questioned.
September 17, 2014 2:46 am at 2:46 am #1033183jewishfeminist02MemberHey, no fair changing the thread title. Now my post isn’t funny anymore!
September 17, 2014 6:34 am at 6:34 am #1033184takahmamashParticipantI was a juror twice.
The first time I was an alternate on a murder trial. Two guys got into an argument over $20, and one pulled out a gun and shot the other in the eye and killed him. The judge actually had to have a “translator” in court because several of the witnesses spoke in Ebonics, and not everyone on the jury could understand what they were saying.
The second time I was picked first for the jury, so I was foreman. It was a civil trial concerning one of those dubious mortgage companies. The judge in this case had retired, but was brought back in to help clear the docket of cases. Because he was retired, he had an active social calendar, so we had anywhere from 2 to 3 hours a day for lunch.
September 18, 2014 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1033185maayanMembertakahmamash, thanks very much for writing about your experience. I would really like to include it in the article. What name should I assign to you? also, Can you tell me a bit about the verdict in both cases and how it was reached?
Thanks in advance.
September 19, 2014 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1033186nishtdayngesheftParticipantI have served twice.
I have some interesting things to relate.
Perhaps you can contact me through the moderators. (I think they can arrange).
September 21, 2014 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1033187RandomexMemberThere has got to be some way to get around the whole
no-contact-info thing. Of course, we’d never be able to post it, because posts need to be approved by the mods. Even this post may not go through…
Personal Info
1 – Please don’t try to pry out personal information. Any questions or comments directed towards trying to “figure out” a blogger’s identity will not be tolerated.
2 – Personal email addresses or websites will not be published. Posts that ask others to meet them at “Plonis” will not be approved. Should a blogger continuously try to pry personal information from others, he/she will be booted from YWN
There must be a loophole. Or maybe we could declare some of these rules to no longer be followed by the tzibbur? Get to work, my fellow meshuga’im!
September 21, 2014 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1033188RandomexMemberSomeday, I think someone should collect all of popa’s most amusing
posts and publish them, along with enough context to get them, and possibly footnotes. That person’s job will not be very enviable.
September 22, 2014 2:07 am at 2:07 am #1033189yehudayonaParticipantI sat on a jury where a guy shot his neighbor in an argument over a parking space. The victim didn’t die, but he had to spend six weeks in the hospital.
September 22, 2014 2:58 am at 2:58 am #1033190JosephParticipantDid you convict or acquit? What was the judge’s sentence?
September 22, 2014 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1033191yehudayonaParticipantConvicted of assault, not attempted murder. Juries aren’t told of the sentence, but I found out that he got several years. This is 30+ years ago, so I don’t remember the details.
September 22, 2014 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1033192Letakein GirlParticipantNothing personal, Maayan, but I really don’t think it would be safe for her to exchange email with nishtdangesheft. Any serial killer can say he’s an writing an article and needs info from people on the cr. Once they’re emailing Abt this article, they might develop a personal relationship and nisht might share some personal info.
I’m really not saying that Maayan is a serial killer! 🙂
Just saying that there’s a reason for the rules.
September 23, 2014 11:27 am at 11:27 am #1033193RandomexMemberLetakein Girl:
(Am I being trolled?)
Who’s the “her” that you’re telling Maayan should not exchange e-mails with Nishtdayngesheft?
That should’ve read “Nothing personal to(/against) Maayan, but…”
“[text], Maayan, [text]” indicates that you are directly addressing Maayan. (Also, you assume that Maayan is female, for no reason I can fathom.)
Any serial killer can say he’s an writing an article and needs info from people on the cr
It wouldn’t help a “serial killer” to ask for e-mail to be sent to the official e-mail address of the Hebrew Mishpacha Magazine! I think we can assume Maayan is for real.
Also, I’m not sure you’ve ever used e-mail formally. Perhaps it would not be safe to exchange letters with an unknown person either! A personal relationship is not liable to develop from a brief, formal series of interactions, and anyone old enough to serve jury duty presumably has the common sense not to share potentially identifying personal information.
I can’t find your profile (can you link to it?), but $50 (that I can’t afford, and anyway, I don’t gamble) says you’re a teenager.
(Or, again, that I’m being trolled.)
September 23, 2014 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1033194charliehallParticipant“CH how many of those illegal immigrants do you think are still here? percentage please?”
My guess is 100%. In prison.
September 23, 2014 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1033195RandomexMemberGood line, Charlie! And possibly a good point, too (I know nothing about US deportation policy, even whether it’s a federal or state-by-state law).
September 23, 2014 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1033196charliehallParticipant“I know nothing about US deportation policy, even whether it’s a federal or state-by-state law.”
All matters regarding immigration are federal matters. However, many states will turn over suspected illegal aliens to the federal government for possible deportation.
It is actually quite rare for it to be a crime to be in the US illegally. Most of the time, it is a simple violation, like a parking ticket. Usually the federal government will allow an illegal alien who has been detained to leave on his/her own, at his/her own expense. This policy saves the US taxpayer a huge amount of money, and allows them to apply to enter the US legally at a later date. Generally, anyone who is actually deported is ineligible to even apply to come to the US for ten years, and permission for someone previously deported to come to the US legally is very rarely granted. About 40% of illegal aliens actually came to the US legally, but overstayed their visas. Furthermore, a huge fraction of the illegal aliens actually qualify to be in the US legally by doing something like enrolling in school or enlisting in the US military. President Obama has been savagely attacked by the nativist bigots by encouraging illegal immigrants to do this rather than getting deported; many of them were brought here as children by their parents, have little or no memory of their country of nationality and have close relatives who are US citizens.
Persons committed of serious crimes are generally deported after serving part or all of their prison terms. The US has agreements with many other countries where an illegal alien can serve part of their sentence in their country of nationality, again saving the US taxpayer a huge amount of money. Many countries release such persons fairly quickly, though.
And when persons who have been deported after having been convicted of a felony return to the US illegally, that is when being in the US illegally becomes a felony. One of the people we indicted had been convicted of first degree murder in Texas and had been deported back to his home country after serving about half of a 25 year sentence. He had returned to the US and I hope that he will be getting free room and board here for a long time. The Obama administration has been aggressively prosecution these previously-deported illegal aliens like no administration before. I was surprised by this when I served on the jury; I had assumed that corrupt politicians, stock swindlers, and drug lords would have been considered a higher priority, but 80% of our indictments were for illegal aliens who had previously been deported after having been convicted of a felony.
September 23, 2014 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #1033197RandomexMemberI see. Thanks for taking the time to explain, Mr. Hall. (I’m fairly sure you predate me by an amount of time measured in decades, hence the honorific.)
September 24, 2014 5:24 am at 5:24 am #1033198ruvainParticipantI had federal jury duty several years. I found it very facinating. It was a bank robbery trial and while i felt the person charged was probably guilty, i listened to the judge who said to vote guilty you had to be sure beyond the shadow of the doubt. The first vote was fairly even, and as the jurors began to state their opinions, i changed my vote. Listen to your fellow jurors and their reasons.
September 24, 2014 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1033199charliehallParticipant“I’m fairly sure you predate me by an amount of time measured in decades, hence the honorific.”
Thanks! Not necessary, though. I don’t give my exact age out on the internet, but I was old enough to have a summer job in a US immigration office back in the 1970s while in college. I learned a lot about how the immigration system in the US works and the basic laws have not changed since the 1960s.
September 24, 2014 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #1033200Letakein GirlParticipantRandomex,
Wow, that made me feel stupid, uneducated, and illogical.
Maybe I’m just extra sensitive, but I found that post really hurtful. DW, I forgive you in the spirit of Elul.
Abt my profile, my screen name used to be letakein, so maybe if you delete the “girl” part of the link, it would work.
September 24, 2014 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #1033201RandomexMember(I’m so out of it, I don’t even know what DW stands for. Ah well, they don’t call me Googlex for nothing. Ah, “don’t worry.”)
I’m so sorry! I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.
(The post was uneducated (bad grammar) and illogical, though…)
Thank you, LG.
And you’re right about the profile – when a name is changed, the profile URL stays the same, just like with threads.
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