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  • #613690
    maayan
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    For an article in Mishpacha, I am looking for frum Jews who served as jurors. The more interesting case, of course, the better. If you or somebody you know fits that description – please let me know!

    #1033174

    No, I haven’t even been a juror. For that matter, I haven’t ever been a juror, either.

    My mom has been a juror, and I’m sure she’d be willing to talk about it, but since exchanging private contact information is not allowed here, I’m not sure how you can get in touch with her. Other than her posting here, of course, which would kind of steal your article’s thunder, so to speak.

    #1033175
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I was on the OJ jury. I walked into the jury room after the trial, and very softly started drumming my fingers on the table, then eventually very softly chanting “it does not fit! You must acquit!” Then louder and louder until one juror joined, then a second, then all of them, and still louder and louder until the bailiff came in to stop us, but he just joined, and then the other bailiff and he joined also, and then the lawyers heard and they joined and the crowd in the courtroom! And the judge was joining! And they heard us in the streets and everybody stopped and joined! And people were crying and hugging and slitting their ex’s throats and driving around in Bronco’s and the whole country came together just like at the trial of the Rodney King policemen.

    #1033176
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    OMG popa, that was you??!!

    #1033178
    maayan
    Member

    Well, apperantly my post was deleted because I suggestd a poster’s mom will email the *official* address of the Hebrew edition of Mishpacha magazine. I am suggesting that again, only without the link. Use google to find the email address, the office will do the rest.

    #1033179
    charliehall
    Participant

    I served on a federal grand jury for a month. Totally boring. 80% of our indictments were for illegal entry into the US. (And they say that the Obama administration isn’t enforcing the immigration laws?)

    #1033181
    TheGoq
    Participant

    CH how many of those illegal immigrants do you think are still here? percentage please?

    #1033182
    Joseph
    Participant

    I was rejected for inclusion on the jury panel after mentioning jury nullification when being questioned.

    #1033183

    Hey, no fair changing the thread title. Now my post isn’t funny anymore!

    #1033184
    takahmamash
    Participant

    I was a juror twice.

    The first time I was an alternate on a murder trial. Two guys got into an argument over $20, and one pulled out a gun and shot the other in the eye and killed him. The judge actually had to have a “translator” in court because several of the witnesses spoke in Ebonics, and not everyone on the jury could understand what they were saying.

    The second time I was picked first for the jury, so I was foreman. It was a civil trial concerning one of those dubious mortgage companies. The judge in this case had retired, but was brought back in to help clear the docket of cases. Because he was retired, he had an active social calendar, so we had anywhere from 2 to 3 hours a day for lunch.

    #1033185
    maayan
    Member

    takahmamash, thanks very much for writing about your experience. I would really like to include it in the article. What name should I assign to you? also, Can you tell me a bit about the verdict in both cases and how it was reached?

    Thanks in advance.

    #1033186
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    I have served twice.

    I have some interesting things to relate.

    Perhaps you can contact me through the moderators. (I think they can arrange).

    #1033187
    Randomex
    Member

    There has got to be some way to get around the whole

    no-contact-info thing. Of course, we’d never be able to post it, because posts need to be approved by the mods. Even this post may not go through…

    Personal Info

    1 – Please don’t try to pry out personal information. Any questions or comments directed towards trying to “figure out” a blogger’s identity will not be tolerated.

    2 – Personal email addresses or websites will not be published. Posts that ask others to meet them at “Plonis” will not be approved. Should a blogger continuously try to pry personal information from others, he/she will be booted from YWN

    There must be a loophole. Or maybe we could declare some of these rules to no longer be followed by the tzibbur? Get to work, my fellow meshuga’im!

    #1033188
    Randomex
    Member

    Someday, I think someone should collect all of popa’s most amusing

    posts and publish them, along with enough context to get them, and possibly footnotes. That person’s job will not be very enviable.

    #1033189
    yehudayona
    Participant

    I sat on a jury where a guy shot his neighbor in an argument over a parking space. The victim didn’t die, but he had to spend six weeks in the hospital.

    #1033190
    Joseph
    Participant

    Did you convict or acquit? What was the judge’s sentence?

    #1033191
    yehudayona
    Participant

    Convicted of assault, not attempted murder. Juries aren’t told of the sentence, but I found out that he got several years. This is 30+ years ago, so I don’t remember the details.

    #1033192
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Nothing personal, Maayan, but I really don’t think it would be safe for her to exchange email with nishtdangesheft. Any serial killer can say he’s an writing an article and needs info from people on the cr. Once they’re emailing Abt this article, they might develop a personal relationship and nisht might share some personal info.

    I’m really not saying that Maayan is a serial killer! 🙂

    Just saying that there’s a reason for the rules.

    #1033193
    Randomex
    Member

    Letakein Girl:

    (Am I being trolled?)

    Who’s the “her” that you’re telling Maayan should not exchange e-mails with Nishtdayngesheft?

    That should’ve read “Nothing personal to(/against) Maayan, but…”

    “[text], Maayan, [text]” indicates that you are directly addressing Maayan. (Also, you assume that Maayan is female, for no reason I can fathom.)

    Any serial killer can say he’s an writing an article and needs info from people on the cr

    It wouldn’t help a “serial killer” to ask for e-mail to be sent to the official e-mail address of the Hebrew Mishpacha Magazine! I think we can assume Maayan is for real.

    Also, I’m not sure you’ve ever used e-mail formally. Perhaps it would not be safe to exchange letters with an unknown person either! A personal relationship is not liable to develop from a brief, formal series of interactions, and anyone old enough to serve jury duty presumably has the common sense not to share potentially identifying personal information.

    I can’t find your profile (can you link to it?), but $50 (that I can’t afford, and anyway, I don’t gamble) says you’re a teenager.

    (Or, again, that I’m being trolled.)

    #1033194
    charliehall
    Participant

    “CH how many of those illegal immigrants do you think are still here? percentage please?”

    My guess is 100%. In prison.

    #1033195
    Randomex
    Member

    Good line, Charlie! And possibly a good point, too (I know nothing about US deportation policy, even whether it’s a federal or state-by-state law).

    #1033196
    charliehall
    Participant

    “I know nothing about US deportation policy, even whether it’s a federal or state-by-state law.”

    All matters regarding immigration are federal matters. However, many states will turn over suspected illegal aliens to the federal government for possible deportation.

    It is actually quite rare for it to be a crime to be in the US illegally. Most of the time, it is a simple violation, like a parking ticket. Usually the federal government will allow an illegal alien who has been detained to leave on his/her own, at his/her own expense. This policy saves the US taxpayer a huge amount of money, and allows them to apply to enter the US legally at a later date. Generally, anyone who is actually deported is ineligible to even apply to come to the US for ten years, and permission for someone previously deported to come to the US legally is very rarely granted. About 40% of illegal aliens actually came to the US legally, but overstayed their visas. Furthermore, a huge fraction of the illegal aliens actually qualify to be in the US legally by doing something like enrolling in school or enlisting in the US military. President Obama has been savagely attacked by the nativist bigots by encouraging illegal immigrants to do this rather than getting deported; many of them were brought here as children by their parents, have little or no memory of their country of nationality and have close relatives who are US citizens.

    Persons committed of serious crimes are generally deported after serving part or all of their prison terms. The US has agreements with many other countries where an illegal alien can serve part of their sentence in their country of nationality, again saving the US taxpayer a huge amount of money. Many countries release such persons fairly quickly, though.

    And when persons who have been deported after having been convicted of a felony return to the US illegally, that is when being in the US illegally becomes a felony. One of the people we indicted had been convicted of first degree murder in Texas and had been deported back to his home country after serving about half of a 25 year sentence. He had returned to the US and I hope that he will be getting free room and board here for a long time. The Obama administration has been aggressively prosecution these previously-deported illegal aliens like no administration before. I was surprised by this when I served on the jury; I had assumed that corrupt politicians, stock swindlers, and drug lords would have been considered a higher priority, but 80% of our indictments were for illegal aliens who had previously been deported after having been convicted of a felony.

    #1033197
    Randomex
    Member

    I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain, Mr. Hall. (I’m fairly sure you predate me by an amount of time measured in decades, hence the honorific.)

    #1033198
    ruvain
    Participant

    I had federal jury duty several years. I found it very facinating. It was a bank robbery trial and while i felt the person charged was probably guilty, i listened to the judge who said to vote guilty you had to be sure beyond the shadow of the doubt. The first vote was fairly even, and as the jurors began to state their opinions, i changed my vote. Listen to your fellow jurors and their reasons.

    #1033199
    charliehall
    Participant

    “I’m fairly sure you predate me by an amount of time measured in decades, hence the honorific.”

    Thanks! Not necessary, though. I don’t give my exact age out on the internet, but I was old enough to have a summer job in a US immigration office back in the 1970s while in college. I learned a lot about how the immigration system in the US works and the basic laws have not changed since the 1960s.

    #1033200
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Randomex,

    Wow, that made me feel stupid, uneducated, and illogical.

    Maybe I’m just extra sensitive, but I found that post really hurtful. DW, I forgive you in the spirit of Elul.

    Abt my profile, my screen name used to be letakein, so maybe if you delete the “girl” part of the link, it would work.

    #1033201
    Randomex
    Member

    (I’m so out of it, I don’t even know what DW stands for. Ah well, they don’t call me Googlex for nothing. Ah, “don’t worry.”)

    I’m so sorry! I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.

    (The post was uneducated (bad grammar) and illogical, though…)

    Thank you, LG.

    And you’re right about the profile – when a name is changed, the profile URL stays the same, just like with threads.

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