Have some respect, please!

How much respect should we give Elliot Spitzer and Anthony Weiner?

catch yourself: “Nevertheless, as a head of state, he was to be addressed with respect.”

an absolute king is different than a president.

also, from the way i see it, to disrespect a king back in ????s day was a much bigger disrespect and severe than it is now. it could even be looked at as treson and rebellion. now, insulting an offical is a common event, and dosnt really insult the official.

as for your racist point, i completely agree. i do not think the color of ones skin matters when pertaining to such important matters such as running the country.

lets compare and contrast the terrorist attack between a lone (albiet improtant) CANADIAN citizen (i’m not knocking canada just comparing)

dBut it emphasizes the degree to which we have to remain vigilant when it comes to dealing with these kinds of acts of senseless violence or terrorism. That when it comes to dealing with terrorist activity that Canada and the United States has to be entirely in sync.

whereas over here when there are four AMERICAN citizens his statement is

At this sensitive moment in Jerusalem, it is all the more important for Israeli and Palestinian leaders and ordinary citizens to work cooperatively together to lower tensions, reject violence, and seek a path forward towards peace.

basically when the teroorism is from isis they have to be in sync in fighting it, whereas when it comes from hamas we have to work towards peace

that doesnt get you agitated?

additionally, how do you know those that don’t give him respect are from the US? maybe they moved to israel or live in any other country

in this weeks parsha, yitzchok tells avimelech,: “why have you come to me? you hate me, and drove me away from you!” i am not sure if this is a valid comparison, but avimelech was definitely at one point yitzchoks king.

Could someone post the gemorrah in bava basra where baca ben buta is defending the kings honor, even though it is the wicked hordos who killed the chachomim and poked out his eyes?

Randomex:

The point of my post was to demonstrate that there is such a thing as kavod for non-Jewish kings. However, it is also to show that it is significantly less than for Jewish Kings. The point of the Radvaz was to apply it even to officials who are not kings. His last part can arguably be applied to a President.

R’ Moshe Shternbuch (Teshuvos V’hanhagos 2:139) writes:

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It does not, however, tell me anything about the respect the Torah requires me to demonstrate (if any) for an official of a Western democratic government, whether in their presence or not.

Here is a source which directly discusses such respect:

Shu”t Divrei Chaim Yoreh Deiah 1:30:

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“whereas over here when there are four AMERICAN citizens his statement is”

This is an example of the venal deceitful vitriol that President Obama gets from his political opponents. What he actually said was the following:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/18/statement-president-attack-jerusalem

The reason to quote an excerpt out of context is clearly to defame President Obama and to cause us to thing more poorly of him. I think there may be some d’oraita violations here.

“It is not one bit better in that context.”

Why not? The out of context excerpt was designed to deceive people into thinking that Obama didn’t condemn the murders. And he didn’t blame Israel for anything.

I know that you hate Obama. That doesn’t give you a heter to lie about what he says.

“about Obama deporting all the illegals as hard as he can”

He *has* deported more illegals than any President ever. And he has also prosecuted more illegals than any President ever. What he isn’t is the first President to suspend deportations by executive action — both Reagan and Bush 41 did that, too. Obama has even tried unsuccessfully to force local law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of people they arrest. But you won’t hear any of this on Faux News.

addutuinally,

i have heard that bush and reagan did amnesty laws however IT WAS WITH THE APPROVAL OF CONGRESS

some people just dont get it

in other words terrorism is only worth fighting for when its against America”

But my problem here is that several of the Kedoshim WERE American. Daniel Pearl was a Jew, too. What did our nation do when HE was beheaded?

Now to address charliehall: I respect your right to believe as you wish and even to defend the honor of Obama, because this is a free nation. But I am honestly surprised and dismayed when time after time, ANYONE, and especially any frum Jew still does so. Obama has been unbelievably contemptuous of Israel, of its leadership, of its people, and of its extremely painful recent history (based on his inability to talk plainly about the terrorists). His arrogance knows no bounds. One could argue that the people who surround him, his advisors and speech writers, are the real ones at fault, but that was Achashverosh’s problem, too. Obama has too many Haman’s at his ear, and he himself is CLEARLY no Jew-lover.

He is Barak HUSSEIN Obama, and this is how he identifies first and foremost. Whatever he said that “sounded” like he was speaking out for Israel, did not address the issue in any way. His ONLY words should have been, “We condemn in the strongest terms possible, the butchering of innocent Jews, especially while in the midst of their prayers! There can be no moral justification for attacking rabbis wrapped in their prayer shawls. No ideology can allow such barbarism!” Instead he called for “both sides” to act to lower tensions. There would be no tensions whatsoever if these savages would stop attacking Jews. And anyone watching them dancing in the streets in celebration, holding up axes and guns, should be nauseated. AND OUTRAGED!

Someone made the really stupid comment somewhere that there is some type of equivalence between Har Nof and the actions of Boruch Goldstein, who also killed Arabs amidst their prayers. He should not have done what he did. The BIG difference however is, the Shul of Har Nof, was not an armory with a hidden cache of weaponry to be used to attack and kill Arabs without provocation. Unless I am very much mistaken (known to happen from time to time), there was a veritable arsenal that was discovered hidden in that Arab place of worship, (because who would expect someone to hide such things in a holy place?).

A president probably has to walk a fine line, but this is something that OUR president should have condemned in the harshest language possible, as well as any other world leaders who likewise were pretty silent because, “It’s only Jews.” I cannot wait for Obama to be permanently out of office. it is very clar where his allegiance lies, and it is neither with Israel NOR the USA, for that matter.

So what if he deports them all they have to do is cross the sieve known as the southern border and they are back in, an illegal who was deported came back and killed two California Policemen.

The Jewish immigrants who came to the USA during the early 1900s, did so in order to make a better life for themselves. Apparently, so do the illegals. And there the comparison stops cold.

My ancestors did not go on Welfare, they learned to speak English without expecting the public school system to educate their children in their own language(s). They immediately took any jobs they could, often losing work as of Friday and having to start all over again. There was no unemployment insurance, no free medical care, no NOTHING for them. They not only survived, they thrived.

They were in a country that did not want them, simply because they were Jews. But they persevered and made something of themselves. They were religious, morally upright, hard-working family people, whose children excelled in school and went on to a better life for the most part.

They did not rob, mug, murder, assault people in order to get money to buy drugs. They did not carry drugs on their person from one country to another in order to sell them to others. Were there exceptions? No doubt. But the rule was that parents expected the highest achievement from their children, and did not teach them to feel entitled on someone else’s back. And therein lies the very big difference.

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Oomis, I guess I can’t blame you for not realizing it but I was actually referring to the Gemara that only when the Nasi does Maaseh Amcha are we commanded Lo Sa’or.

Sure w are Mechuyav to honor the kingdom. But all the above references have nothing to do with privately disparaging of the king. The Tanna in Bava Basra who did not want to condemn Hurdus said that he was afraid to do so.