Hashkafa for entering secular workforce

rsrh, no denigration intended. Indeed, the world outside the beis medresh is where we apply halacha. But the person I was responding to twisted things in an upside-down New Age direction: he said that the goal is to “know ourselves,” that we should do this by mingling with goyim on the job, and that this is “chinuch.” By that logic, we don’t really know kosher food until we eat a rabbit, we don’t really know shmiras Shabbos until we do chillul Shabbos, etc., all of which being “chinuch.” “Ibmzr” feels that his place is in learning and is aghast about being forced out, and as one who was also forced out I refuse to join with anyone who makes light of it.

Open a store.

When you have sold enough to support yourself (including full tuition) for the day, close your store and go to the Bais Medrash.

That is what the Chofetz Chaim did. Try it!

I am open to all offers to anyone who wants to support me

“I personally will know enough Torah to be confident to go into the world in around 40-50 years!”

Can your wife whom the Torah commands you to support wait that long?

I feel for you. I was in kollel for about six years and then went to law school, and graduated in 2011. It was extremely difficult for me to enjoy school and study because I felt that what I was learning had no intrinsic purpose. When I expressed these feelings to my Rebbi he laughed and said that providing for one’s family is extremely fulfilling. At the time, I was dissatisfied with the answer and felt misunderstood. However, after actually bringing home some “dough” I see that we was right. Additionally, I have found a job in the legal field that involves people and gives me some satisfaction.

In short, my humble advice to you is:

1) Realize, that your feelings, while coming from a noble place, may be coming from a theoretical perspective considering the prospect of working in the abstract, and may change dramatically

once you enter the practical phase and actually start providing for your mishpocha.

2) In most jobs you are helping others. While it may not be dramatic as saving lives or marriages, in almost any field, you will enter you can be providing services to others in a pleasant, honest and giving manner, (see Rav Dessler Kuntres Habechira), as well be a good colleague to your co-workers, enhancing their lives, and possibly making a Kiddush Hashem to boot.

3) The Chovos Halevavos in Shaar Habbitachon writes that Hashem placed in each person a desire or atttraction to a certain area and a person go with inner voice in choosing a profession, and then have bittachon that ultimately hashem is the one providing.

As far as your other issue – I have found a job in a frum office and I don’t know how I would deal with a non-frum situtaion. Obviously though, having a rav with whom your are in constant contact, especially at the initial stages of your career will go a long way in assuring that you reamin the ben torah you are.

Best wishes for Hatzlocho

“via our parents’ obligation to support Torah”

“others have parents who cannot meet their obligation (I don’t speak of those who refuse to meet it, they have to answer to Hashem).”

WOW. You have created a hard and fast obligation on parents to support their married children in Kollel as long as possible. How much mesiras nefesh does this fixed obligation require?

I want to create an obligation on zealous right wingers who have been told by their Daas Torah to leave Kollel and go to work to do so without complaining or murmuring.

This is consistent with the Hashkafa of the Right Wing that any mumuring against Daas Torah is a great sin.

Those who learn in Kollel and recognize that they are unusually fortunate to have the needed support and are Makir Tov to all their benefactors will enhance Kavod HaTorah.