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  • #604528
    YehudahTzvi
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    May have been discussed before. Are they kosher or avoda zara? We have two that we took down and put in a drawer. One has Yud-kei-vav-kei and a shivisi on it and one has a blessing for business. I am quite the Litvak when it comes to things like this but if there is a mesorah to have them I will put them up. If not, shaimos?

    #891296
    Sam2
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    Pashtus is that it had pagan meaning long before any Jews used it, but many Tzaddikim and Mekubalim have been known to have endorsed them throughout the generations. This is one of those weird areas in Halachah where Nigleh and Nistar seem to overlap and be at strong odds with each other.

    #891297
    shlishi
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    Well, then, perhaps you’re wrong about the “pashtus”, that there is any pre-Jewish pagan meaning for the same thing being discussed, and the many Tzaddikim and Mekubalim are right.

    (Btw, there’s an old thread about this: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/hamsa )

    #891298
    YehudahTzvi
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    So, were I to ask a Rav (not a Rebbe) what would he advise? Keep, toss, donate, shaimos?

    #891299
    Sam2
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    Shlishi: It exists in Arab cultures, Indian (as in India) cultures, Native American cultures, and possibly more. Some of those go very, very far back. Jewish references, not so much. That doesn’t prove anything, but it does raise questions.

    #891301
    Curiosity
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    If you ask a Sephardi Rav you can cover all your bases.

    #891303
    YehudahTzvi
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    Thread didn’t really help and the Mods deleted my last post (thanks guys!). The Hamsa, from what I have read online (so you know it’s true) seems to have its roots, or its equivalents in Paganism, Islam and Xtianity.

    One the Hamsas I have has the Y-K-V-K – so I’m not sure what to do with it.

    #891304
    apushatayid
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    Thats why you have a Rav.

    #891305
    Curiosity
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    YehudaTzvi, did you follow that link to the old thread that has a link to the Ben Ish Chai? He’s a pretty reliable person.

    #891306
    YehudahTzvi
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    Curiosity: I would need it translated.

    #891307
    Curiosity
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    He first quotes different psukim and gemaras that can be said if one is at risk of ayin hara, such as “ana mizar’ah d’Yosef kaatinah. Ben porat Yosef, ben porat aley ayin.” Then, he quotes the Chid”a that says the minhag haolam is to say “hamsa” to ward off ayin hara, and then he says that’s why the minhag is to hang a piece of wood shaped like a hand with five fingers with the letter “Hay” inscribed on it.

    #891308
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Break off one finger and it’s fine l’chol ha’deios.

    #891309
    YehudahTzvi
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    ItcheSrulik: Seriously, or was that a joke?

    #891310
    YehudahTzvi
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    However, because the Hamsa has become something of a custom among Sephardi Jewry, and it is even mentioned by some Sepharic poskim (see Ben Ish Chai, Year 2, Pinchas 13), one should certainly not mention the matter to others. For an Ashkenazi, who has no custom in the matter, it is better to avoid its use.

    There is no problem in keeping it at home.

    Sources:

    The Maharik further writes that the prohibition applies only where the issue is observed as a law (religiously), and not where the matter is optional. See, in this vein the Bach (348), Taz (Orach Chaim 311:4), and Shevet Yehudah (581:1).

    Therefore, the practice cannot be said to be prohibited. Yet, based on the Torah instruction of Tamim Yihiyeh, these matters should preferably be avoided.”

    This still doesn’t address my concern – should I put it in shaimos? Give it away or put it back in a drawer (again, it has the shem Hashem on it.

    #891311
    Curiosity
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    Yehuda Tzvi, on a side note, I read once (forgot where) that the red string is supposed to ward off ayin hara by resembling a worm and letting those who see it think of the wearer’s lowliness and prevent jealousy that causes ayin hara. If that’s the only reason it supposedly works then I don’t get it because nobody knows this interpretation of the red string.

    In regards to your hamsa. I’m no posek, but it seems to me since it has Hashem’s name on it you can’t discard it without treating it as shaimos. If you really like how it looks, and have a huge desire to hang it up, from the sources you quoted it sounds like it’s mutar. Otherwise, why not just give it away to a nice Sphardi family who will make good use of it?

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