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An elegant dinner for orthodox Jews starting at $100 per person and led by Rabbi Meir Soloveichik.
Menu- mixed greens salad topped with an esrog dressing, crispy shallot topped veal intestines stuffed with veal heart, chicken gizzards, duck liver and kidneys, truffle oil drizzled, poached brains with garbanzo beans, white pickled garlic and lemon, Moroccan cigars stuffed with duck foie gras, goat tagine with dates, dried plums, cracked Syrian olives and fava beans, braised squab with poached fennel mousseline, roasted shallots, braised artichoke hearts and fresh truffles, bison sliders with glazed onions and Israeli cracked olive paste and slow cooked ox tail with green peas and sherry wine mousseline.
Dessert included both a dulce de leche cake in a chocolate caramel box as well as one what was undoubtedly the most exotic item of the night: Mexican chipotle chocolate covered locusts.
That kind of food can make a lot of people sick.
I’m confused: If it’s Kosher how is there veal there?
(tongue-half-in-cheek warning)
1. There are rich kosher Jews in America. That they consider this “elegant” rather than “normal” suggests haven’t quite made it but are “wannabees”.
2. Why is veal a problem? It’s just a young cow/bull. A cooked “calf” becomes “veal”.
3. This is part of some fancy fund raising event?
sounds delicous
hope they all feel better!
Its been on my to do list for a while
in keeping with “asid liten din vecheshbon al kol sheraasa eino velo achal”
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14142&st=&pgnum=475
Sam, why only half?
The locusts should be a problem for those who don’t have a mesorah on it.
The locusts should be a problem for those who don’t have a mesorah on it.
When it comes to Kashruth,w e generally hold that if one frum jew holds something is Kosher, you can eat it. There are a few animals which arent regulary eaten (Like a Giraffe)
The issue with locusts is most of us are disgusted by it and I think I heard somewhere that is the real issue. Eating something we are disgusted by.
I’d only go if the cigars were cuban.
Ubiquitin, don’t go, and it won’t be raasa eino.
ZD,
To Zahavsdad –
There are all kinds of mistakes that people make regarding giraffe. Even though there may be practical and legal reasons for not eating it – it is not really a halocha issue (except according to the opinion that mesora is necessary for animals too). Many teachers repeat something about not knowing where to shecht it. Anyone who know hilchos shechita knows that is incorrect.
I think also an american Bison actually has no Mesorah to eat it.
The cost is not outlandish and when you consider what a couple gives as a wedding gift and the food they get
There is no Halacha against being a Foodie and willing to try differnt kinds of foods. While this meal is not for me the reality is Not everyone wants Chulent and Kugel.
Anyone who doesn’t want chulent should check their yichus.
Joseph, stop being eastern European-centric
If something is assur then i understand complaining about it. If it is muttar but not in the spirit of judaism or where someones middos should, i don’t feel it right to complain about. However, a yeshiva with this kind of party is basically saying “this is 100% fine”. Now THAT, my E-friends, is something i would complain about.
What was halachic about the dinner? did someone give a shiur on hilchos brachos covering halachos of kedima in brachos, ikkur and taffel, the proper kavana when making a bracha?
I don’t think anyone holds that bison are a problem. They are a type of cattle, and they cross breed (on their own apparently, if given a chance) with domestic cattle. Also in Europe there were bison and on occasion people ate them (though catching them would be a problem). Finding kosher bison in the US isn’t a problem as several commercial outfits produce them for the kosher market with good hecksherim.
There is nothing wrong with this event. I suspect the high price was also because it was for Tzdekah (Ive seen these events for usually for Tzdekah)
Zdad-well i say there is
American Bison are not the same animals as European Buffalo.
Yaks I belive are similar to cattle but are not kosher
oyyoyyoy: So what exactly is wrong with it? I don’t understand what your issue is.
Oyyoyoy,you’re entitled to your opinion. That’s all it is, your opinion. You don’t have to like the event; you just can’t force your opinion on others
thank you lesschumras for proving my point to zdad
When BMG made a high end Chinese Auction, there was an outcry against the yeshiva promoting excessive pursuit of gashmiyus. They cancelled.
DaasYochid – Big difference between $50,000 kitchens and a $100 per person dinner charge. Most shuls charge more than $100. Mishpacha had an article recently regarding the need to attract donors by having star events. This seems like just that.
ZD, American Bison are closely related to European Bison.
minuval birishus hatorah
forget the bison. what was halachic about this dinner? did the bison say a pshetel?
RebYidd, exactly. At least as close as the turkey to the chicken (⇒which actually puzzles me).
$100 is not alot of money for a Tzdekah dinner. Most Tzdedakah Dinners are at least $180-$250 a person
I don’t think this replaced the shul dinner.
It was a fund raising event for a shul
Unfortunatly it seems people got sick from the food served
Newbee
Not quite, usually during the course of the dinner various shiurim are given on the topic related to the foods at hand.
At least this is the case for the mesora dinners
Was this a fundraiser? Or was it supposed to an event in and of itself? It seems that it was just to be some form of “education” program. Which they solicited sponsorships for.
I doubt that they really could have made money on the food itself. It must be pretty expensive to acquire these unusual foods, certainly in kosher varieties.
Further to the point, reading the menu, other than the strangeness of the combinations, it did not appear that there was anything on the menus that it was surprising to find out that it was kosher.
To ZD,
Your comment above “When it comes to Kashruth,w e generally hold that if one frum jew holds something is Kosher, you can eat it.” Is misstated/misinformed. That is not what ?? ??? ???? ???????? means. Nor is it what establishes mesorah. A case in point is swordfish.
Mmmm, poached brains and shallot topped veal intestines stuffed with veal heart. My favorites!
…But I’ll assume that the dessert is dulce de SOY leche.
akuperma: Wrong. That’s not what veal is. And according to the Rama there is no way for veal to be Kosher.
DY: Many major Poskim, including R’ Schachter (who will end up being the Posek for this community), hold that we can rely on the Teimani Mesorah.
nisht: Swordfish has absolutely nothing to do with this, nor the concept. There is no one who holds you need a Mesorah on fish. Just find a scale and eat. Swordfish is a discussion because of the nature of their scales, nothing else.
L’ma’aseh, we only need a Mesorah on birds, not animals, because all Kosher animals will cross-breed which trumps the lack of a Mesorah. They have yet to find an animal with the Simanim that can’t cross-breed and create viable offspring with another Kosher animal as far as I know. (Also, far more Rishonim hold you need a Mesorah by birds than animals.)
Turkeys are a fascinating Shailah and historical case. If they’re Muttar, it’s not because they’re related to chickens. It’s because the Simanim are identical. (Though if one reads the Gemara and the Rambam they should be Assur for everyone; even Sefardim agree you need a Mesorah on new-world birds.)
nishtdaynagesheft
I’m sorry what is the case in point regarding swordfish?
I have never heard of a shita requiring a mesora for fish. Have you?
At any rate here is a interesting source
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12060&st=&pgnum=19
list in hapardes 1933 of kosher fish according to the Agudas Harabanim it includes Swordfish and sturgeon
Suppose you go fishing and you catch a catfish with scales. Can you eat it?
Suppose you go hunting and catch a pig that chews its cud, can you eat it?
Suppose you go trolling, and catch someone troller blading. Can you eat him?
nishtdaynagesheft
I’m sorry what is the case in point regarding swordfish?
I have never heard of a shita requiring a mesora for fish. Have you?
At any rate here is a interesting source
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12060&st=&pgnum=19
list in hapardes 1933 of kosher fish according to the Agudas Harabanim it includes Swordfish and sturgeon
You can eat the troller blades.
Newbee, you assume everyone supports the kollel system and is required to support them. Why do people like yourself feel they can sit in judgment on others views and priorities when it comes to tzedaka?
30-40 years ago Sushi was an exotic food and now its a staple
to SAm 2 “That’s not what veal is. And according to the Rama there is no way for veal to be Kosher.”
Veal, in American English, refers to the meat of young cattle. What Rama are you referring to (please quote in the original – I’m fairly sure he didn’t know English). The only reason you rarely see veal in kosher stores is that it is more expensive. I don’t think anyone has a shailoh about its kashrus, but a lot of greens think it is mean to kill a young calf (but we hold that slaughter of animals is mutar, so there isn’t an issue).
Sushi is a staple?
They Sell Sushi in almost every store now, There are more places around here that sell Sushi than sell Kugel or Kishka
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