Halacha open table discussion on a specific Shailo

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    ED IT OR
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    So reuven bought a used but premium car from shimon, a couple months later reuven has a flat tyre, whilst changing the tyre he finds next to the spare a pouch of diamonds.

    reuven calls shimon and asks if he lost them there (stupid i know), shimon says he did not but he bought the car from a (non jew) jeweler who must have left them there

    who do the diamonds belong to?

    #1017082
    simcha613
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    Reuven borrowed Shimon’s old but sturdy shtender. Reuven broke the shtender and it is no longer usable. The old shtender was worth $10 but there is no market for old shtenders. If Shimon wants to buy a shtender he would have to buy a new one and spend $30. What does Reuven owe Shimon? The value of what he broke? Or the replacement cost to Shimon?

    #1017083
    ubiquitin
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    simcha rethink this sentence

    “The old shtender was worth $10 but there is no market for old shtenders”

    There is either no market or it is worth $10 it cant be both

    #1017084
    popa_bar_abba
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    Reuven trolled on Shimon’s website. As a result, Shimon’s website has many more visitors and generates more ad revenue, but is not what Shimon has in mind as a website for himself. Does Reuven owe him anything? Does Shimon owe Reuven?

    #1017085
    oomis
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    I preface this by saying I do not know the halacha or even what Judge Judy would say. The following is my personal opinion. He owes him a shtender. Not Shimon’s fault that it costs more now to replace it. Let Reuven build one, look for another one like it that is pre-owned, or pay for a new one. He has to replace it somehow. Its $10 worth is of no value to Shimon if he needed the shtender to be returned to him in the same usable, sturdy condition in which he lent it to Reuven.

    #1017086

    1)PBA-What Reuven did is muttar-in fact Shimon allowed him to! Therefore Reuven helped Shimon. If Shimon had wanted to, he could have blocked Reuven’s efforts at trolling. He didn’t, so he is maskim. No money should exchange hands.

    2)Why do people use Reuven and Shimon?! It confuses me like crazy! Use A and B, or Tim and Yankel, but Reuven and Shimon rhyme the way people like to pronounce them! Stop with the confusion!

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