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Wolf: There are sources (the ones the Ashkenazim rely on) that fish and dairy is neither halacha nor sakana. If everyone held that it was sakana, it would be assur for Ashkenazim as well.
Little Froggie – nice of you to be dan l’kaf zchus, but it really does not sound like that from the lashon. IF that is what she meant, she should have made sure it was clear. (examples: if someone says they think it’s okay not to be shomer negiah and it turns out they are talking about touching their 5 year old brothers, or someone says she thinks it’s okay to wear pants and she was really talking about wearing pajama pants to sleep, someone says it’s okay for a girl to walk in front of a boy and she was talking about a baby, etc.)
Sparkly: you always talk about how much you love learning, particularly Gemara, and how you learn so much more than other girls. Why don’t you try looking up some of the issues we have just been talking about instead of believing everything that people with the title Rabbi tell you and instead of attacking people who ARE quoting Torah sources?
btw, I never said that someone who doesn’t cover their hair is an Apikorus. I said that someone who says that you don’t have to cover your hair is an apikorus. We have explained to you before why this is so. If you have a reliable source that says otherwise, please share it with the olam. Thank you!
Sparkly: “you are VERY insulting to start calling people apikorsim because their more lenient than you are.”
I never said any such things. Please do not say that I said something that I didn’t.
Wolf: There are sources (the ones the Ashkenazim rely on) that fish and dairy is neither halacha nor sakana. If everyone held that it was sakana, it would be assur for Ashkenazim as well.
Well, something is either a sakana or it’s not. It’s ludicrous to say that it’s dangerous for Sephardim to eat something but not for Ashkaenazim. The fact of the matter is that one group is just plain wrong. But I suppose that’s another argument for another time.
If you don’t like the example I gave, there are plenty of others: tefillin on Chol HaMoed; whether or not US government regulations suffice for the requirement of Cholov Yisroel; whether or not a woman has to wear stockings below the knee in public; whether or not an Eruv can be constructed in Brooklyn; and so on. These are all arguments in halacha, not minhag. So pick any one of these and go with it. Are people who take the lenient position in any of these matters apikorsim according to you?
The Wolf
Wolf: there are some issues in which there are different acceptable opinions and some in which there are not. I will not go through each example you cited and state which category it falls under, since: a) I am not familiar with each issue & b) they were just examples anyhow.
To take one example you cited that I am familiar with, the issue of a woman wearing stockings below her knee: the Mishna Berurah clearly states that one only has to cover her knees and not below her knees if it’s not the minhag hamakom where she lives.
As far as I know, there is NO opinion that a lady does not have to cover her hair AT ALL. There may be different opinions regarding HOW or HOW MUCH, but there is no opinion that she does not have to cover her hair AT ALL!
Someone who takes a lenient opinion is not an apikorus. Someone who denies a halacha is.
If you know of any source that contradicts what I wrote, I would be more than happy to hear it.
Sparkly, she had impossible frizzy hair. Cute and impossible. She hated it.
Isn’t there a story in tanach how a woman uncovered her hair and sat in front if the house so that people should leave her husband alone…..obviously…
Happpgirlygirl – It’s not in the Tanach per se’ – it’s a Medrash. Not that it matters, since it’s probably a Medrash that is meant to be taken literally.
I’m not sure if the above- cited Medrash is PROOF that it’s halacha, since it’s POSSIBLE that he was being machmir. (I believe it was only one or two strands of hair that were showing). I’m not sure if he was being machmir or not; I’m just saying that it might be a possibility.
Its the story of ON’s wife..
He was invovled in the Korah Rebellion and she convinced him that there was nothing for him from Korach, so she uncovered her hair when they came for him
ZD: Thank you. I will just add: The lesson of the story is that even someone like On understood that he couldn’t walk past a lady with her hair uncovered (even though it was only 1 or 2 strands, and even though he was someone who was going to join Korach).
Yeah I knew it was with korach just didn’t know who I was talking about but I cited a fee areas in our history where it was shown that only good comes from covering ur hair
Sparkly: “besides for the fact out of the 2 guys im MUCH more likely going to end up with the one who DOES want me to cover my hair.”
He does sound like he’s probably more your type from what I know about you.
Because a guy who cares about Torah sounds more like your type than a guy who would prefer that his wife not keep Halacha (from what I know about you.)
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