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I’ve noticed quite a number of yeshiva guys who’ve started to lose hair during their early 20s. If you go to a university you won’t see people at that age with receding hairlines or going bald. I don’t recall this being the case in modern orthodox yeshivas either. Is it a Jewish thing(hereditary) or just not living a healthy lifestyle? This is something that intrigued me while I learned in main stream yeshivas
is it because of black hats?
no. But it could very likely be a lack of some vitamin/mineral.
but black hats are worn right on the hairline..
not for those who wear theirs tipped back :), or who dont wear them (often). Besides, then these guys would only lose some hair at the front and have a higher overall hair line, not male balding pattern receding hairline
wtvr.. so whats the reason? vit defiencent?? noo
Alot of them wear glasses too, and many are on the short side.
It is hereditary but poor diet, lack of regular exercise and sun light as well as smoking are contributing factors.
hmm I know a yeshiva that serves lots of great food, a big basketball gym, a skylight in the beis medrash and a zero smoking policy and yet there are lots of guys with hair problems.
Maybe the stress???
multifactorial, strong genetic component
this cant be true for everyone cuz my brother is in yeshiva and doesnt have a receding hairline.. is the op talking abt an over the top harcut tho?? cuz i see it sometimes and ya looks like theyr bald..
Could be something to that. I noticed my hair thinned a lot when I got married and covered it full time. Not a reason to stop doing so, but it’s certainly an interesting possibility that the hats could be a factor. Also, Yeshivah boys eat notoriously poor diets. It probably is a combination of factors, plus heredity.
purple- no, definitely not all. And for a bunch, its genetic factors, like in my family, 2 diff hair losses for 2 different reasons. But quite a few boys have receding hair lines. I’m not sure how much more prevalent it is in yeshivish circles though. Could just be due to less hair care as opposed to those who condition, blow dry or style their ‘chup’ or more
I am not convinced by the premise of this question. There’s no reason to believe that Yeshiva guys have any more hair loss than anyone else with similar genes. One confusing factor is that it’s relatively fashionable for balding non-religious men to shave their heads, so it may be less apparent in that population.
On some people, hair covered is hair denied. And the whole oilam is high risk for vitamin D deficiency, which can then cause many things.
I think it has to do with stress. I see it on hard working young men. I dont think it has to do with yeshiva guys.
“If you go to a university you won’t see people at that age with receding hairlines or going bald.” But you will find many skin heads. That’s because when non jewish men start going bald they shave all their hair off … Problem solved! Its nothing to do with being an orthodox yeshivah bochur.
I wonder if any of these bochurim have had trouble with shidduchim because they or their fathers are bald/ing?
wanderingchana- yes, some have. And many haven’t. And its a good way to weed out the girls they wouldnt want
I haven’t noticed this in my male family members or their friends or our neighbors. Maybe there’s something in the water where you live?
does nottt have to do with yeshiva guys- close in my family is one kollel learner, one non religious guy in the city, and one businessman who learns in the morning and ALL started getting bald aorund the same time- 20’s (hopefully the ones that aren’t bald yet, wont get bald!)
From what I remember, male pattern baldness (and even early graying) is passed from the mother’s side, so it would not matter what the boy’s father’s hair situation is (or is not, whichever the case). Better test is to look at the boy’s maternal grandfather.
Baldness is going out of style. I guess people are eating better.
Maybe they’re pulling their hair out trying to figure out the Gemmoroh.
A complicated question with a simple answer.
Yeshiva bochurim generally cut their hair short, unlike most non-jewish males of the same age, and their hairlines are therefore more noticeable.
SDD must think I’m an out of style yeshiva guy.
(I was actually going to look for the post PAA linked to, but he beat me to it.)
Eat smart. Make healthy lifestyle choices today. (And drop the earring.)
Cholent on Friday nights, more than anything, causes the hair loss in the yeshiva world
For those who say the OP’s point isn’t true, take it from someone who’s dating boys in their early to mid-20s, and has seen all of her friends get married to boys in that age range- it is most certainly true.
Almost all the boys’ hair is starting to thin in front, at the very least. For a while I was kind of bothered by it, but since I realized it is so widespread, I decided that it’s just a fact of life to deal with. It’s out of the boy’s control.
technical20, Of the boys you dated, what is the ratio of Jewish boys with thinning hair to non-Jewish boys with thinning hair?
I heard a stat once: about 1/3 of man in the US will show male pattern baldness by 30 years old, 50% by 50 years old.
technical20 is saying that it seems to be far more than a third.
I think the difference, as mentioned above, is more due to nurture than nature. Poor diet (especially not enough protein), reduced sleep, hats.
I presumably have a full head of hair,
and as a frum guy, I presumably eat unhealthy foods and don’t exercise.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/frum-and-fit#post-550054
scared driver delight- you’re right. I didn’t refer back to the original post before I posted (I had read it previously).
Thankfully, I don’t notice the state of non-Jewish men’s hair enough to comment on it.
I was just commenting on the fact that Jewish men’s hair does thin early- or, at least it seems to me to be very early. Maybe I’m wrong statistically speaking.
tech: exactly how would you quantify it to make the generalization. I think one can easily say a majority of frum men wear glasses because it’s easy to tell, but how do you measure thinning hair and what is considered early on? I would say that you go into any shul you will see a number of bald or balding men, but so many factors go into why a person loses hair, including diet and genetics.
DY – “I presumably have a full head of hair”
Male pattern baldness is based on hormones! I have it.
If Joseph’s right that I’m not bald, does that mean I don’t have hormones?
DY -“If Joseph’s right that I’m not bald, does that mean I don’t have hormones”
Just means that you have a lot of female hormones & Not a lot of male hormones!
Unless you do something unusual (chemotherapy, exposure to lethal amounts of radiation), hair loss is purely genetic, and is affected by age. . However if you cut your hair short, as do most “yeshiva guys” (and most frum men), it will be quite visible. Hopefully no yeshiva guy will go off the derekh so that he can grow his hair longer enough so that his shrinking hairline will be less noticable.
Health, so lets ask Joseph if I have a beard, and if that’s even possible.
From a medical handbook:
Typical male pattern baldness involves a receding hairline and thinning around the crown with eventual bald spots. Ultimately, you may have only a horseshoe ring of hair around the sides. In addition to genes, male-pattern baldness seems to need the male hormone, testosterone. Men who do not produce testosterone (because of genetic abnormalities or castration) do not develop this pattern of baldness.
Women – Some women also develop a particular pattern of hair loss due to genetics, age, and male hormones (which tend to increase in women after menopause). The pattern is different from that of men. Female pattern baldness involves a thinning throughout the scalp. The front hairline generally remains intact.
It’s a punishment from HKB”H because too many yeshiva guys are keeping a chup.
It’s the brain waves that emit hypo-charged microns to the neutrons that affect the follicons of the biotrons of the hair. Yeshiva students tend to (are supposed to) use the thought processor module of the brain more often, and with more intensity then others…
So interesting because hair grows on the crown of the head, radiates outward, from the highest point of one’s physical being. I read a book by Rabbi Avika Tatz that explained that hairs draw the spirituality from within the body to the outside world.
So maybe the fact that many yeshiva bochurs are losing their hair is symbolic. Perhaps their knowledge is losing its grip within, and their spending more of their thinking beyond their own minds.
ThePurpleOne:
but black hats are worn right on the hairline..
Yeshiva bochurim wear the hat tipped back.
By your logic, the farther back you tip the hat, the farther back the hairline goes.
It all has to do with the yarmulke. When one wears it on the front of his head or anywhere if its a big one, he is restricting air to flow, thereby causing the hair to die out.
Very enjoyable enlightening thread.
Lightbrite, your point is well taken, but your conclusion is flawed.
The only conclusion that logically follows your premise is that Yeshiva bochurim are retaining their inner spirituality and not letting the kedusha be drawn out to the impure world.
But my favorite post was from yeshivishe kup. Mr yehivishe kup, I think it’s just great that someone with your name would comment on punkt this thread. And as the bearer of that name, yours is the opinion that carries the most weight.
golfer: yes!
lakewhut – mo is also jewish and frum.
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