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June 29, 2016 4:27 am at 4:27 am #617894👑RebYidd23Participant
Does that make it less treif? Can we listen to jazz now?
June 29, 2016 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1158131zahavasdadParticipantKenny G is still popular
June 29, 2016 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm #1158132ubiquitinParticipantAh but Kenny G isn’t a Goy
June 29, 2016 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1158133zahavasdadParticipantActually I didnt know that Kenny G was jewish, but I dont think thats what the OP meant.
June 29, 2016 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1158134☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhen people refer to goyish music vs. Jewish music, they don’t put in in the latter category just because the artist’s mother was Jewish.
June 29, 2016 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #1158135zahavasdadParticipantAccording to some Jewish music is only things like Chassidic Niggunim and not even Klezmer music (Think Hava Negilla) which really is jewish music, but has become associated with secular Judaism
June 29, 2016 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1158136popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhen people refer to goyish music vs. Jewish music, they don’t put in in the latter category just because the artist’s mother was Jewish.
No, usually they refer to whether the artist was frum.
It’s a pretty crude metric for whatever the real distinction being attempted is. It works ok for its purpose, but there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that it’s inherently a bit stupid.
June 29, 2016 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #1158137☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantTo make it a bit less crude, I would add that it’s usually Jewish themed.
There are frum musicians whose audience isn’t frum, and I wouldn’t call their music “Jewish music”.
June 29, 2016 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1158138popa_bar_abbaParticipantThere are frum musicians whose audience isn’t frum, and I wouldn’t call their music “Jewish music”.
Example?
June 29, 2016 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #1158139☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSome of Andy Statman’s music.
I believe there are some frum classical musicians.
June 30, 2016 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1158140👑RebYidd23ParticipantMuch has been said implying that jazz is the most goyish music. It is considered by some to be a risk to children’s frumkeit. It has been said that its essence is to bring out the “lower side of us. Its “yiddish taam” is questioned. It is considered junk/noise. I’m assuming that those concerns stem from the perceived goyishness of jazz. Now that goyim have almost completely given up jazz, maybe we can use it.
June 30, 2016 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #1158141👑RebYidd23ParticipantUnless jazz really is a bad influence. Has goyish society become more moral since giving up jazz?
July 4, 2016 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1158142hujuParticipantThere is one type of “Jewish music” that is neither “Jewish” nor “music”: that junk that assaults one’s ears in New York-area supermarkets. The “music” (as distinguished from the lyrics) is Israeli pop music which sounds like generic pop music of the US and Western Europe and is awful and has nothing Jewish about it. The lyrics – I only know the English lyrics – are too simple-minded to be Jewish, and the singers have absolutely no training other than listening to other singers of the same junk.
A lot of jazz and other music is themed around romance that is not connected with marriage, and I do not see how it can be considered acceptable listening for frum Jews.
July 4, 2016 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1158143apushatayidParticipant“There are frum musicians whose audience isn’t frum, and I wouldn’t call their music “Jewish music”.”
There are many not frum and even not jewish musicians whose audience is frum (a good percentage of the musicians who play in todays bands at weddings). Does this mean people are dancing to non jewish music at weddings?
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