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can someone please explain to me what is the plan for a guy that goes on government programs? why do people not think a little bit ahead of time while they are still young and in kollel how they plan on supporting their family. i i’m still learning B'”h but i see so many of my friends that are in such difficult financial situations with a little bit of forsite it could have all been prevented.
Our communities pays taxes and any members of our communities who qualifies for government programs should take advantage of them to the full extent they are available.
Welfare programs in the United States are not not among the world’s best (on the other hand, taxes are lower in the US than in most places).
Unless disabled, you won’t qualify for social security until old. However medcaid provides tolerable health care. There are food stamps, WIC and sometimes housing assistance. College for you and your children (includes distance education leading to degrees) is usually provided for free. In general welfare programs are structured to encourage you not to stay on them – this reflects a Protestant idea that it is sinful to be poor.
To deal with the inevitable poverty of being a kollel person, read a lot of history on how people used to live. Be thankful for AC in the summer, central heat in the winter,and indoor plumbing — not to mention fresh fruits and vegetables year round, and a large amoung of processed foods with hecksherim. This list goes on. If you look at how middle class people live in the 21st century you’ll get depressed. Look at how poor Bnei Torah lived in the 18th.
can someone please explain to me what is the plan for a guy that goes on government programs?
Why is this a problem?
The amount of money ($ value) that most Yidden receive from gov’t programs is ‘nothing’ compared to the $ value of the free K-12 public education that most non-Jews receive! Surely Frum, upstanding, Yidden are entitled to the relatively meager amount that they receive if many, many non-Jews are receiving free tuition AND free health insurance, section 8, etc., etc.
It is always better to be self sufficient, when possible.
It is always better to be self sufficient, when possible.
Why? Even if you are correct, who says there are not other benefits that outweigh the idea of being self sufficient?
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Even if you are correct, who says there are not other benefits that outweigh the idea of being self sufficient?
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govt programs are not “matanos”. Matanos are given willingly. So I don’t think that applies.
I don’t think they are quite gezeila either, since you aren’t the one stealing it.
Perhaps it is like lokeiach min haganav?
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Gamzu, what “little bit of foresight” could have prevented this?
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Debatable. If it were so embarrassing, people wouldn’t do it L’chatchila.
gamzuultova: Who is rich – the person who is happy with what they have. Given that “not making it” in Brooklyn in the 21st century is the equivalent of being very comfortable in Brooklyn of 100 years ago (not to mention places such as Warsaw or Maarakesh of 200 years ago), people should complain less. If you want to live like a rich shagetz, you have the option – but almost by definition, frum Jews prefer Torah and Mitsvos rather than baubbles.
I could easily get on food stamps if i chose to i choose not to because i want to support myself, some people feel that since these programs are available we deserve to take advantage of them, ive known people who come from very wealthy families who have gotten low income apartments did they really need assistance? no.
Lior you make it sound like its a mitvah doraiysa to go on gov funding these programs were originally started with the intent to help those who cannot help themselves not those who choose not to help themselves.
Debatable. If it were so embarrassing, people wouldn’t do it L’chatchila.
Even if you are correct, who says there are not other benefits that outweigh the idea of being self sufficient?
DY: Exactly. Since it has become so widespread in our communities due to those other outweighing benefits, there is no longer any embarrassment even if one does not have good reason to take government funding.
I agree that we’ve been desensitized, but it’s not totally gone.
I agree that we’ve been desensitized, but it’s not totally gone.
Not sure, and certainly not in certain communities where Rov are on assistance.
Gamzultova: I sense a little bit of judgement on your part. Let me just say this: The cost of living (especially in the frum community)is expensive. Food, clothes, tuition…everything costs more by us. You work like a dog, but things come up. It’s hard to make a living even when you make do with just the necessities. I don’t have a rich daddy or daddy-in-law to support me, never did. I’m not saying that you do, all I’m saying is don’t judge. Everyone would love to be self-sufficient. It’s not always possible. And when it comes down to pride or providing for your family-you swallow your pride and sign up.
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