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  • #1405227
    zahavasdad
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    According to the GOP Tax bill that was passed any tutiton discount will now count as taxable income and Rebbes and Morahs will be forced to pay income tax on that tution discount as a benefit

    #1405267
    Joseph
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    Most heimishe Yeshivas and Beis Yaakovs don’t have a fixed set amount as tuition. It is whatever tuition was negotiated with the parents. And the one’s that do have an “official” price, most parents pay less, even working parents.

    #1405271
    zahavasdad
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    The yeshivas are now going to have to report to the IRS how much discount they gave an employee as a benefit

    #1405276
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    It’s not law yet, is it?
    Does it say it applies to yeshivos, or only colleges?

    #1405277
    Joseph
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    The yeshiva can give anyone, including rebbeim no less than working parents, a “needs based” charitable discount. It would be no different in taxation-status between a low income accountant parent or a rebbi parent.

    #1405280
    zahavasdad
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    It applies to anywhere that gives a tution discount for an employee, it could be a College, Yeshiva , Catholic school or anything like that

    #1405281
    zahavasdad
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    From the NJ Jewish Link (A frum Newspaper)

    Yeshiva teachers could face a significant tax increase under the House of Representatives current tax bill proposal. The statute, which was expected to be voted on by the House after this article went to press, eliminates section 117(d) of Title 26 of the United States code. That section declares that “gross income shall not include any qualified tuition reduction.” This includes “any reduction in tuition provided to an employee of an organization.”

    “This is the section of the tax bill that allows teachers and employees of private schools to deduct tuition reduction plans from their income,” said Brian Galle, a professor of taxation and non-profit law at Georgetown University Law Center. “If 117(d) is eliminated, teachers would need to pay taxes on that benefit as income.”

    The proposed legislation still has a long way to go before becoming law and must pass a number of hurdles in the House before final negotiations with the Senate, which is currently drafting and debating its own version of tax reform. Current indications are that the Senate bill will preserve the qualified tuition reduction exemption and may even increase tax benefits for parents who send their kids to a private religious school. Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) filed an amendment, which is viewable through the Senate Finance Committee website, this past Monday that will allow 25 percent of “qualified tuition” to “be treated as a charitable contribution.”

    When the two chambers of Congress negotiate a final draft of the legislation, it is possible that section 117(d) could be preserved or modified as part of a compromise.

    The Orthodox Union is aware of the ongoing debates regarding tax reform and is “very engaged on the tax bill,” said Nathan Diament, executive director of the OU Advocacy Center. “We have been quietly working with key members on the proposals.”

    Many private schools and private colleges offer teachers and other employees a reduction in tuition for their children as part of overall compensation. “The system provides a benefit to both parties,” added Professor Galle. Schools can keep tuition costs low by not paying teachers higher salaries and teachers avoid the taxes that would have been paid on the extra income necessary to afford the full cost of tuition, he said.

    This is similar to many other benefits that employees earn tax free as part of their compensation. For example, many workers do not pay taxes on health care benefits and may also take advantage of flexible spending accounts to avoid taxes on meal plans or public transportation costs.

    But for teachers, who often sacrifice other career options to help raise and educate the next generation, the loss of this tax benefit would be especially painful.

    “In the short term, it increases the tax burden of communal workers, people who gave up lucrative careers in order to serve the community,” said Rabbi Gil Student, a Jewish Link contributor and the editor of Torahmusings.com.

    For many teachers, who are already expecting the loss of state and local tax deductions, the increase in their federal taxes could total into the thousands of dollars.

    “They should expect an increase on the taxes they owe,” said Professor Galle. “But it is worth mentioning that this change would likely only be impacted as part of the income tax. Tuition reduction plans would still be exempt from the payroll tax.”

    While the immediate costs would be felt by individual teachers and rabbanim, the broader implications of this change would be borne by the overall community. “This exemption change constitutes a tax on yeshiva tuition,” explained Rabbi Student. “In the long term, it will be absorbed by an even higher tuition burden on parents who are already struggling to pay for both public school taxes and yeshiva tuitions.”

    This is an ongoing news story.

    By Zachary Schrieber

    #1405286
    Joseph
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    The proposed law doesn’t treat rebbeim who get a tuition discount any differently than poor accountants who get a tuition discount.

    #1405287
    ReuBrew
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    My understanding is that it only applies to Higher Education. Post High School. Tuition discounts at day schools would not be impacted.

    #1405292
    Joseph
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    If the school tells the rebbe working in their Yeshiva that the discount for his children is because he’s an employee, then it might be taxable under the new law. If they tell him it is because of his low income they’re discounting the tuition, it is not taxable under the new law just as when they give a low income accountant (working elsewhere) a tuition discount it isn’t taxable.

    It’s all a matter of structuring it correctly to legally avoid taxes.

    #1405303
    akuperma
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    A “legal” principle going back to antiquity: any law, especially pertaining to taxation, that attempts to tax someone will inspire clever minds to come up with a way around (I like the idea of since the yeshivos underpay their teachers, the teachers are unable to afford tuition and therefore their children get scholarships).

    #1405313
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    If they tell him it is because of his low income they’re discounting the tuition, it is not taxable under the new law just as when they give a low income accountant (working elsewhere) a tuition discount it isn’t taxable.

    That would work for discounted tuition, but some rebbeim get free tuition, which an accountant with the same income wouldn’t get.

    #1405992
    apushatayid
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    Why would this differ from any employee discount? If walmart (I have no idea if they do) offers a 20% discount to employees would that be considered income? Why should tuition discount to school employee be any different.

    #1406004
    akuperma
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    Of course with increased standard deduction and increased child allowances, many rebbes will end up in the “zero” backet.

    #1406167
    Gadolhadorah
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    While the focus of the legislative language is to tax “imputed income” from tuition discounts provided to graduate teaching assistants at “liberal colleges” (obviously not so worded in the bill), the IRS rules could easily sweep in imputed income to kollel yungerleit who might also be teaching in a cheder affiliated with the kollel or any of a number of situations. Most kollel yungerleit are not making big bucks (even if the wife is working) and with the expanded personal exemption for a half dozen kinder, probably not much risk of big tax exposure. If so, the mosdos will have to gross up the compensation to offset their increased tax liability (absent a rich shver to pay the tax bill).

    #1406178
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Most kollel yungerleit are not making big bucks

    Which is precisely why it need not be considered a benefit, because tuition discounts are also given to non employees.

    #1406227
    zahavasdad
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    What is a benefit is not up to the Gedolim in the Coffee Room or even the real The Gedolei Torah. Its up to the IRS. Unfortunatly if the IRS says its a taxable benefit thats all the matters no matter what any Rav says (You can fight it of course, but you have to win in tax court)

    #1406370
    Gadolhadorah
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    “What is a “benefit” is not up to the Gedolim in the Coffee Room or even the real The Gedolei Torah. ”

    What IRS tax examiner or compliance officer would have the chutzpah to challenge any taxpayer claiming an exemption from the new rules on “taxable income” who cited one of the “gadolim” from the CR as the basis for such an assertion. They would quickly nod their head knowingly and apologize for even questioning your knowledge of tax law.

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