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The time has indeed come. It has been coming for a while. My place is not here. No doubt this has been evident to many.
I end with the worthy words of Reuel:
“I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!”
Siyanara! Bon Voyage! Adios!
Who chased you away?
Moq
Please don’t go you are one of the remaining voices of reason and knowledge in the place. It will not be the same without you.
Why are you going?
Moq: Please don’t go. We need you here and more importantly, we want you here.
Moq: I hope you will forgive me if I (amongst other right wing/chareidi posters) might have offended you with some of my/their posts. I really enjoyed your posts; maybe you’ll have second thoughts about this and change your mind.
Moq, And I hope you will forgive me if I — amongst other left-wing/modern posters — might have offended you with some of our posts.
What a coincidence! Just last night I was wondering how long you’ll last here, moq. I’ve come to the same conclusion on Friday when realization hit me that we’re talking to LIBERALS. Gamarnu. What a waste of time. But it was worth it just to learn that there’s no grass on the other side of the fence. Dayeinu. This is the end of every (politically) conservative website that allows liberal “trolls” to hijack every conversation. The sensible ones quickly lose patience with the libs’ nonsense and cheap shots and leave one after the other. WIY, you’re next.
I’m jealous
Bye moq,
See you under a different screen name.
msseeker,
I thought that this is an Orthodox Jewish site, not a conservative politics web site.
sniff sniff!!
charliehall, point well taken, that’s what has caused most of the divisiveness here lately.
Charliehall, what you need to realize is that even though some of the conservative ideas are posul according to the Torah, the liberal views are even more problematic( the number of posul ones and their severity).
…and here we start again…
The political conservative-liberal dispute was used as a mashal to the UO-MO squabbles here. The nimshal is so apt, it’s totally unnecessary to explain. If TYW is really Yeshivish and would like to keep it that way and raise the standards of the CR to a high level of intelligence and productivity, I invite the mods to read American Thinker, a conservative website. The mods there keep liberals’ comments to the barest minimum, so that instead of getting bogged down in endless, senselss back-and-forths with reality-challenged liberals, readers partake in the most intelligent discussions on the web. If we hadn’t wasted so much time explaining the basics of our mesorah, minhagim, chumros etc. to people who don’t want to understand, we could’ve discussed our problems unhindered by antagonistic, ridiculous arguments and we might have come up with real solutions. Let the MO create their own website where they might (but probably won’t) address their own problems instead of frum-bashing.
You named the thread “Goodbye Friends”- so if you can still call us friends it can’t be that bad…But why are you leaving?
Moq, good luck! May you have a long and happy life.
msseeker, I would leave by myfriend told me I’m a card carrying member.
I agree with Blinky. The only reason I can accept from someone leaving is if they are concerned they are spending too much time here, or if they feel that their cover is about to be blown.
But over a difference of opinion?
Either way, its your call, but I think you’re making a mistake. True, there must be other sites, but I doubt you’ll find as fun a bunch as you’ve got here!
Best wishes, either way – BPT
msseeker: You seem to be so easily willing/eager to cut yourself off from a huge segment of klal yosroel, and you don’t seem to mind if they don’t exist at all in this world-see the racism/ indifference/cruelty you feel/display towards other yidden; and then you assuage your guilt for feeling this way, by throwing the guilt on them through labeling/damning them as “people that don’t want to understand”!
As if the yeshivish people on this site can get along just fine, with no issues to bash each other about; like kollel vs. working etc.???
The real problem is within you [that you perceive every yid who’s slightly different than you as a threat], not within others. Shame on you for making such a comment!
Reuel? Don’t you mean Bilbo?
CR is not klal yisroel. Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
Moq, I hope you don’t leave, at least not for the reasons you seem to think. It is always important to exchange ideas. Some of us are better at doing it with sensitivity and respect, than others. It is a two-way street.
Moq
If you truly intend to leave for good, then I give you a Bracha that you should be Matzliach in all that you do and you should be zoche that all your actions should be lsheim shomayim and should be a nachas ruach to the Ribono She’ll Oilum. Aleh Vhazlach!
There is a world in which “yeshivish” connotes educated, refined middos, openmindedness, and there is nebach an “ugly yeshivish” of insularity, fear of the other, nitzchoniyus, and other lowly middos. I understand what Moq is leaving for. I have been attacked in machlokes leshem machlokes. It leaves a bad taste when too many posts do not deserve the dignity of a response.
“Siyanara! Bon Voyage! Adios!”
Been there, done that.
msseeker, who here is not part of klal yisroel?
I wonder if the true nisayon of the internet is not inappropriate viewing material (which is its own nisayon of course), but actually how to conduct yourself as a true Ben/Bat Torah, even anonymously.
You may want to rethink your attitude, which doesn’t come across as very Torahdig.
I don’t visit the coffe room so often, can u please enlighten me in a nutshell on MOQ’s viewpoints?
good luck moq.
Msseeker: MO who are shomer torah and mitzvos ARE klal yisroel, Get it into your head!
BTW: I’m a chareidi FFB just like you; and I hardly share your attitude [never in my life, would I ever think like you do]! Why don’t you just take a peek into yourself?
And the inability to accept Tochacho. Nekudah.
Oy vey. I meant to say my post was NOT about excluding MO from klal yisroel ch”v, only about moderating CR so that not every thread turns into a nitpicking contest about the most basic concepts that one side knows inside out and the other refuses to understand or respect. This only distracts us from addressing real issues intelligently and productively and chases away every sensible right winger, thus slowly turning the CR into a frum-bashing forum.
msseeker, freudian slip perhaps? Your true colors come out loud and clear
Thanks again, everyone, for proving my point. You’re saving me so much time.
aries, I must say that now that I have heard the pain you are in by reading other posts I would not say anything at all to hurt you. I spend very little time here so I may be wrong, but I think that you may not realize how strong your bite is. You have made many comments that I find harsh and personally hurtful and have resisted the temptation to answer (and many I agree with but would word differently). The mean responses are probably more because of your tone and wording than your ideas or self. I too lost my mother recently and share some of your other pains as well, but I hear you not understanding that some of the fighting words directed at you are not meant for you personally, they are, IMO, knee jerk responses to the way you sometimes say things.
I hope you find a source of comfort to guide you thru the rest of life’s trials 🙂
guardmytongue, you are right but I don’t start out that way. I fight back when people start to talk in an authoritative tone when they have no experience in the subject and keep insisting they are right. It hitzes me on, and then it goes ups a a notch depending how far the other person is willing to take it. I will follow their lead. When it is brought to my attention I always apologize and back down. But when someone goes after me personally I rise to the occasion because that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, that is a personal assault on an anonymous person that they know nothing about and just choose to assume they do. That is judgment in its highest form. Not only that but they choose not only to share it with others but to get them involved.
Not so far back as months ago, half these posts would have been edited or not have gotten through at all. It just shows how things have changed here. I personally am a very giving and helpful individual and I am involved in those kinds of chesseds. Anyone in my community including ALL the Rabbonim know what I do and how much I have accomplished. To have strangers who know nothing about me say cruel and insulting things to get my goat on a so called FRUM website is hurtful and will bring the fight out in me. Not everything is written in the way it is read. Not everything is said and written in the way another person interprets it when read that would all depend on the attitude of the person who reads it. Many times I read a post two or three times to see if I really understand the meaning of the poster and if they are being flip, sarcastic or just plain raw.
There are many times where I will just ignore, many times where I will respond and not send, and then many times that I will respond because I want to get my own message across. If I come across harsh that is not my intention. I am very sincere and gung ho when it comes to children AND when it comes to loshon horah about what other people do. As I said, everyone has their own Rav to discuss their own issues with and hearing all this bashing on this site will get my hakles up to defend them. Am I too sensitive because I am not even two months into aveilus, that could be, I am on the depressive side. Do I come back to the CR to find some solice here and to see if I can do something useful? Maybe that’s it to. Maybe I just came back to soon or don’t belong here to begin with. That’s up to me to figure it out.
But at any case if I came off aggressive and mean spirited to you I apologize it was not my attention in the general sense, maybe only when I was fending off an attack.
I recognize so much of my passion in your responses and feel like you deserve more of an explanation than heckles for this exchange. I will say that I learned a life lesson worth sharing – though you will have to come to it on your own. It is that the people who annoy you are doing it because its fun(ny) to them. Answering them is so beneath you. You would have not even bothered sitting next to them IRL, and that is regardless of what kippa they wear. But the need you feel to answer, because now they have dissed you or whatever, I really, really believe that their pigheadedness, onesidedness, rudeness (fill in per the situation) speaks for itself. We all read their comments and roll our eyes and say, “well that was pretty narrow minded (or random or whatever)” and move on. Don’t waste your breath. Legitamate comments deserve responses. Let the personal attacks fall at your feet and step over them.
guardmytongue, you are so right. Thank you so much, I appreciate that.
whats MOQ stand for?
Married Officer’s Quarters
Aries- I agree with guardmytongue.
Many times we do have posters really offending others. Rather keep away.
IRL I stay away from negative people. I try to have friends who will help me grow. Same here. If a poster is putting you down, why would you even bother responding? Why give the satisfaction to them?
While I’m also Chassidish and disagree with many things you and others write, I wouldn’t bash and degrade you for it. I believe you do what’s good for you and when Moshiach will come, he will show us the right way for it all.
So please, don’t take comments to heart. Accept only nice things that people write to you. Most of us do that here.
While I’m also Chassidish and disagree with many things you and others write, I wouldn’t bash and degrade you for it. I believe you do what’s good for you and when Moshiach will come, he will show us the right way for it all.
I like this, and it is very true.
whats MOQ stand for?
It’s short for Moq Del Tnoc.
no squeak
its a kind of summary of a compilation of a number of factors:
what color your shirts are
the type of kepah you wear
who you consider to be a great Rabbi
how you feel about zionism
and numerous other qualities and factors
they are individually weighted and a value is given that represents the
M.odern O.rthodx Q.uotient of a particular person in question
You might have something there, 80. Or it could be short for MOderator Q, i.e. 17.
good move,Moq.
Im pretty sure MOQ stands for “Mercenaries of Quan”
Mercenaries of Quantico?
why doesn’t moq just tell us himself what the initials stand for, instead of everyone guessing.
Because Moq has already cut and run.
squeak
Yeah I guess Quantico makes more sense. I think it really means Man of Quality. Ooh I bet he likes that one lol!
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