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In Miami the Satmar Rebbe was forced to remove his Bekasher at a TSA checkpoint
Do you think for further flights he should fly Private Jets
Who cares?
(I have a really good line about clothes making the man, but will hold back)
Yes, the kovod yidden give to our rabbonim knows no limits.
Besides, I never saw you post complaints about all the CEO’s flying — actually owning — private jets. Why is your quarrel only against rabbonim?
You’re not being asked to donate. If they decide to do this (which I highly doubt — that was an unsourced sensationalist article that likely has little bearing to the truth) it will be paid for gvirim who volunteer to cover the cost specifically for this purpose. Don’t you defend rich folks rights to purchase mansions and Lexuses? So why are you so against a rich guy buying this for his Rov?
Gasut haRuach and Baal tashchit.
In Miami the Satmar Rebbe was forced to remove his Bekasher at a TSA checkpoint
Do you think for the sake of kovod haTorah and for the sake of the kovod of a Godol b’Yisroel we should feel obligated to provide Private Jets
Fixed that for you.
I know Tim Tebow is out of a job but i hardly think he will need our tzedakah.
Of course. It’s past nisht for a GRAND rebbe to fly commercial. Only baby-grands fly commercial. Obviously you’re an apikorus so you wouldn’t understand.
Did R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerback sit on an egged bus? No, he used personal jetpacks. Did R’ Moshe use cars? No, he used Starfleet site-to-site transporters. Do you expect the GRAND rebbe to do anything less than fly a private jet to Miami, IH”K?
For a large party, and he usually travels with a large party, a private or charter would probably be cost efficient.
It’s up to them how they spend their money, but IMHO, it’s a waste of money.
ZD: How much money have you ever given Satmer?
zdad: You are kind of delegitimizing your other posts by posting this.
Get Bill Gates to fly Economy first, then start worrying about a gvir deciding to fund the rabbonim for whatever the gvir wants to pay for rabbonim’s benefit.
ZD: The point was made. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT HE FLIES! You don’t have to contribute, and believe me they wouldn’t come to you for money. They don’t need your money or opinion for that matter.I couldn’t care less if he flies economy or business class.
ZD,
Let me get this straight. Someone asked you to donate towards a fund to charter a private jet for the Satmar Rebbe?
So why do you assume that the money will be used for a private jet?
ZD: How do you know they are Satmar? Maybe they are Slonim? You admit that the approbation is illegible.
Even if they are Satmar, maybe they are Aharonis?
As such, it is a Sfek Sfeka L’Heter. 🙂
Note that I appreciated this comment from the article:
shalom2010 says:
January 14, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Note that the article made no mention of a protest, only of an attempt to persuade. The fist sentence in the article mentioned anger, but didn’t say how that anger expressed itself, other than attempting to convince the TSA not to do the inspection.
I don’t see any Satmar chasidim protesting the TSA or anyone. All I see is an article that makes some claims that it attributes to no one in particular.
You both missed the point. Oh well, its not worth explaining the joke.
gavra_at_work: Almost everyone in the country is mad at the TSA, so why should Satmar be any different? That they are annoying and rude is widely accepted. The only way to avoid them is to avoid commercial flights.
Yes, GAW, I got that he’s using the Satmar shittah against them. I am too upset at the anti-Satmar hatred spewed on this site to be amused, though.
gavra: I got the “joke”. The point is that it is misapplied and off.
akuperma
“That they are annoying and rude is widely accepted. The only way to avoid them is to avoid commercial flights.”
Don’t you mean avoid Williamsburg?
ZD
I highly doubt that any Tzeddaka collector coming around after Shachris is collecting for the Fund to FLy the Satmer Rebbe.
As for your comment about Rav Shach.
You are quite mistaken, Rav Shach lived right near Yeshivas Ponovich and not a 2 hour bus ride from yeshiva, he usually walked the short distance.
BTW there is probably no 2 hour bus ride in the entire Bnei Brak!
More anti Satmar hatred 🙁 . WIY, can’t you see how inappropriate your attitude is for somone who considers himself “ruchniyusdik”?
DY: I hear you, but disagree. In addition, I see the side of the “anti Satmar”, though not for the reasons ZD brings. In fact, call me anti YU for the same reason (although at least there they admit they made a mistake).
Between the two of them, Frum Yidden have (perhaps unfairly)gotten a bad rap over the past month.
the issue (removal of bekeshe) it would appear is the lack of kavod, could this in any way be a result of machlokes??
ZDAD
I’m just curious why when a few weeks ago, there was a story reported on YWN about a certain great rabbi who gave out fraudulent smicha certificate & you didn’t bother to post any comment…..
Yet here we have a silly story of the Satmar Rebbe being subjected to a pat down, & one of his gabboim asked that he be spared ( nowhere does it say that he yelled, pounded the on the table or the like….)& the story goes viral with dozens of posters….
And you want us to believe that there is no bias in the CR…
BTW the Satmar Rebbe Reb Zalmen Leib is one the classiest people I know, & I’m sure he didnt mind the pat down.
ZD: Nor should you write in most threads!
ZDAD
just btw the story never could of happened since r’ shach lived a minute away from his yeshiva
dont quote things from people unless you know its true bc its lh to say that he wrote an open lie
ZDAD
My point is regarding the bias that is blatantly obvious by certain posters, where they get all upset by minor wrongdoings by some people & ignore crimes by others…
Satmar Rebbe’s trying to have the TSA respect the Rebbe, generates dozens of scornful venomous posts…
Fraudulent smicha , which is a crime … ZERO posts…
You are a liar, and have not corrected your lie yet.
You claimed that Satmar collects in your shul every morning. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/giving-tzedkah-for-private-jets#post-430719
Keep it up!
ZDAD
The bias issue is still unrebutted….
DaasYochid
I don’t hate Satmar. Hate is a very strong word.
Why do you people even bother with ZD? Can’t you see his TRUE colors??
WIY
You don’t hate Satmar you despise Satmar… for you to twist words & then implying that the Satmar’s are annoying & rude, (when the poster meant the TSA) is way beyond hate….
I hope you never need any of the services founded by the annoying rude Satmar people…
Don’t use Hatzolah
Don’t use Bikur Cholim
Don’t use Chesed rides
and many more chesed organizations…
Did R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerback sit on an egged bus?
More than 30 years ago, I was on a Egged bus going all the way from Yerusholayim to to Tzfat {which in those days went by the Jordan River}, sitting across from Rav Yisroel Zeev Gustman ZT’L. This was the 1st time I heard of him, but this left an indelible impression on me, and I met him several times subsequently, and even seriously considered enrolling at his Yeshiva Netzach Yisroel.
By the way, I also met Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach ZT’L over a 100 times, as I spent 1/2 year in Shaarei Chessed where I saw him daily at Gra Shul, often with him hearing me leading services & doing Kerias haToroh.
So a resounding “Yes”, taht Gedolei Yisroel belong on buses & commercial aviation with the rest of mankind.
mogold
I was trying to be funny but nobody picked up on it. The fact that they have some good Chessed organizations does not mean they are perfect or close to it. There’s a lot of unacceptable things going on there and being tolerated there. I don’t want to go into it but trust me theres plenty of shmutz to go around and you know it. So don’t give me the bologna about their bikur cholim. Im censoring myself.
WIY
If as you claim were tring to be funny, please dont quit your day job yet, you have a very poor sense of humor.
I was just saying that if you want to avoid the rude Satmars then also avoid their Chesed Organizations,
BTW there’s unacceptable thing going on EVERYWHERE , even where you belong , as unacceptable things are going on since the day of Cain & Hevel…
Also please censor yourself more often..
I was trying to be funny but nobody picked up on it.
I did pick up that you were trying to be funny. Your previous posts against Satmar dispel the notion that it was merely a poor attempt at humor.
If he wasn’t wearing a kipa and made his anti-Satmar posts he would rightfully be labeled an anti-semite. Just because he is wearing a kipa, makes his comment no less anti-semetic.
Hey Kids! Lighten up! Usually I am “Just Having Fun,” but now I am way serious. Why all the infighting amongst Jews? We have enough goyim who hate us so let’s not add any ayin haras.
If the TSA asked the Rebbe to remove his bekeshe, what’s the harm? In December 2011 they took an 84-old lady in a wheel chair out for examination, did a strip search on her, and made her miss her connecting flights. (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/strip-searched-grandma-says-tsa-removed-her-underwear/) In their zeal to not appear to be profiling passengers (unlike ElAl), they examine all sorts of people who are unlikely to be troublemakers. Why should the Rebbe be any different? It’s not like he’s Obama’s right hand man or anything.
We have to stop bashing other Jews! Period! How is Moshiach going to come if we can’t make peace amongst ourselves!
Sheesh. Sometimes you guys really annoy me.
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