Girls name Raylah

SL, take a chill pill. Just because people are questioning your opinion is no reason to start spewing insults and accusations. Disagreement is fine, but civility is a must. You cannot denigrate others just because they disagree with you.

Also, I might add that insults and accusations don’t make particularity convincing arguments.

Joseph – do females eat thursday night chulent?

*shudder*

i try to be respectful and answer each to his own.

My alter ego is mochel me.

DY:

Mw13: I would imagine that this was the basis for R’ Dovid Feinstein’s psak as well.

Yes, that was my understanding, as I heard from the rav of the shul. I agree with your assessment of the issue.

That’s reassuring; assuming the nature of a psak is somewhat of a risk.

ubiquitin:

2) Are you really trying to tell me that you thing song is inherently important?

3) I think you may have missed the main thrust of that segment: None of those names, as far as I know, are common in other societies. So it would be hard to say that they stem from outside influences.

But anyway, as I pointed out in my original post on the subject, I take all of these explanations to R’ Chaim’s opposition to the name Shira with a grain of salt. For all we know, the true reason could be something totally different from all of them.

SL, don’t worry I am certainly not “bent out of shape”. I just thought something had to be said about the direction these threads keep taking, so I said something. I hope you didn’t take it the wrong way.

Happy Go Lucky, I do appreciate your attempts to be rodef shalom.

mw13 – i missed that earlier post of yours, by the way, and hadn’t seen it til now. i guess you thought i was responding to it but i wasn’t. i was calling you “nuts” because you/joseph were asking me if i was “making assumptions” which was just to chepper me (referencing that old dialogue) and i had a choice to take it seriously and ignore it, or take it in jest and respond so.

in the spirit of continuing the conversation, tho, you answered yourself really. the same way Rav Chaim “saw” shulamis, he also “sees” shira.

I don’t think R’ Chaim asks if she was born on Shabbos Shirah and makes an exception in that case. He holds, for some reason, that it’s not a name.

It’s very difficult to understand, because pashtus, there’s no such thing as a name not being a name; if this is what the father named her, even if nobody ever gave that name previously, it should be considered a name. This is how names in Tanach originated, and nobody I’ve spoken to has a mekor for an end date for new names. I don’t know of anyone else who holds this way.

I think you’re assuming some level of ruach hakodesh which he may or may not have.

True, what others hold doesn’t affect what he holds. That wasn’t my point.

mw13,

Many societies have names that mean life (e.g. Vivian, Ankur) or lion (e.g. Abbas, Osama) or deer (e.g. Fawn, Oscar, Darby) or bear (e.g. Orson, Bernard, Arthur, Bjorn).