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This is interesting. We never learned gemara. Sure, lots of mefarshim, but not gemara inside. The way it’s been presented is that the standard BY chinuch isn’t preparing us for learning like the boys’ chinuch, e.g. flashcards, starting at a young age, focusing largely on gemara, etc. For good reason: it’s not for dabbling and women don’t have the time men do. I could go further and say it’s not satisfying for most women because it’s so theoretical. If I want intellectual stimulation there are classical sefarim or lehavdil secular stuff.
Now one might argue that to really, really understand even Rashi you need some extensive background but considering that we start so young, for boys and girls, I would venture to say that the mefarshim as in Mikraos Gedolos and contemporary mefarshim are still of a very different quality. And they help us understand pshat as well as provide the hashkafic basis for what we’re supposed to get out of our learning. (Rav Hirsch is a must for any teachers, as much as is feasible.)
BaalHabooze
That’s right.
“It should be shared or just the man, but never should it only be the woman. It’s not how the torah teaches us to run a home.”
Geshmak – You are technically right, but in the wrong market if you think that’s the reality out there right now.
From a previous post of yours, I understand you to be single. Ask around how many boys there are that share your views. And be prepared for an unpleasant surprise.
(Oh, and sorry if you took my replies to your other post as hostile. But that’s the way things go sometime in the CR)
GAW- i dont understand the question. could you rephrase? and if this answers it, i dont mean to say that a womans judaism consists solely of being a tzanuah. yours doesnt consist only of learning; you shake lulav,too. what i mean is that their constant avodah centers around their tznius and is also a good measuring stick as to where theyre holding. and i dont mean “how-low-you-wear-the-tichel” tznius; i mean inner kovod bas melech pnima tznius. obviously they still need to keep the rest.
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what i mean is that their constant avodah centers around their tznius and is also a good measuring stick as to where theyre holding.
There are six Mitzvos Tediros. Which one is Tznius?
Also, why is Tznius a “measuring stick”? Does wearing a Burka make you more frum? A longer skirt?
(once again Socratic)
I’ll get to my point. Tznius is what it is because of what people made it, not because of what the Ribbono Shel Olam made it. And yes, it may even be a mitzva (an arguable point. Probably Lifnei Iver at best on a dioraysah level). However, it is not individually one of the 613, (unless you can find me someone who includes it in Minyan HaMitzvos?) and what some people make it out to be (equal to Torah! Afar L’Pumi) is for all practical purposes Reform Judaism.
I may be old, but I still try to understand. A girl in seminary receives a photocopied page of a daf gemara, yet she can claim that she is not learning gemara. When my friend made the same claim after being caught with a comic book in class, it did not go over quite so well.
It’s an open black and white Shulchan Aruch that girls can’t learn Gemorah or other parts of Torah Shel Baal Peh.
Shlishi: See the Shulchan Aruch itself and the whole discussion here. It is nowhere near “black and white”. And if you want to go by the most Machmir possible reading of the Mechaber then girls can’t learn Rashi Al Hatorah either. Clearly almost no one actually holds by that.
my take, are u talking about viznitz BP? I know that for navi, at least, they use COPIES of pages of the navi, but not a navi itself. (I personally don’t understand it, but whatever…)
It could be they are Makpid on the famous line (I believe from a T’shuvah of the Maharil, not positive) that it is Assur for a woman to open a Sefer.
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