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September 13, 2011 2:57 am at 2:57 am #599347popa_bar_abbaParticipant
So I was in shul today, and there was a girl in the ezras nashim who was wearing teffilin. (Why were you looking? Because she was wearing teffilin.)
And a tallis.
So putting aside the issue of that she is crazy for wearing a tallis or tefillin, why was she wearing a tallis if she isn’t married? Is she a yekke?
(How do I know she’s not married? I don’t. But of course she isn’t. Who would marry a lunatic like that? And she wasn’t covering her hair except with the tallis.)
September 13, 2011 3:01 am at 3:01 am #809019Queen BeeMemberHm…a reform Rabbi? It’s possible she isn’t orthodox.
September 13, 2011 3:01 am at 3:01 am #809020ItcheSrulikMemberI’ll bite. Which shul?
September 13, 2011 3:07 am at 3:07 am #809023mommamia22ParticipantBelieve it or not, I actually thought about asking a shailah wether or not I should take it upon myself to put on tefillin since my husband is not. I worry about the consequences of his not doing that, for the whole family. I just don’t think I’m prepared to take this upon myself long term, which is why I never bothered to ask. I am VERY traditional in my beliefs, and generally don’t veer from the mainstream, so my thinking this is pretty much out of desperation. Who knows why she’s doing it or wether she asked a shailah. The talis thing does sound strange.
September 13, 2011 3:09 am at 3:09 am #809024always runs with scissors fastParticipanti DON’T UNDERSTAND why they didn’t throw her out on her backside? Into the street?
September 13, 2011 4:16 am at 4:16 am #809026real-briskerMemberPBA -Umm am I going crazy, I thought it is monday night, not motzei shabbos.
September 13, 2011 5:01 am at 5:01 am #809029sam4321ParticipantThe baal Haturim holds that if a woman wears a tallis or teffilin they are oiver on kli gever al haisha.If one asks how about michal,the Levush brings down that a bas melech is excluded from kli gever.
September 13, 2011 5:04 am at 5:04 am #809030MiddlePathParticipantIt would probably be best to assume she had a reason for doing it. What that reason is, we can only guess. Perhaps you could have asked her if you were really curious. (After she finished davening, of course.)
September 13, 2011 5:06 am at 5:06 am #809031sam4321ParticipantI meant Targum Yonason my mistake,sry.
September 13, 2011 5:22 am at 5:22 am #809032Sam2ParticipantSam: Tallis? I thought he just says that by Tefillin. Regardless, do we ever Pasken by the Targum Yonasan?
September 13, 2011 6:21 am at 6:21 am #809033Ragachovers AssistantMemberThe following is merely the tip of the iceberg regarding Tefilin for women.
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September 13, 2011 8:41 am at 8:41 am #809034rebaParticipantThe whole issue is not whether it is allowed or not. But why she should want to do it something unusual in the first place. The biggest rebbetzens don’t feel the need to do it – they have other ways to come close to Hashem so why would a woman choose to do make her connection in that way. It smacks of feminism and being uncomfortable with her role in Yiddishkeit.
September 13, 2011 11:35 am at 11:35 am #809035mommamia22ParticipantAlways runs
I think throwing her out on ****** is not the answer. If someone does something unusual or against our beliefs, I think it is incumbent upon us to ask them about it and to clarify that the shul is a very traditional one where specific roles and customs are adhered to and to please abide by them or locate a “synagogue” that permits veering from mainstream thought (that her presence is welcome in the context of keeping with the Shuls beliefs and customs). Throwing a person out, ke-ilu in anger, should rarely be an option, except where a discussion has already been had and still the person chooses publicly to ignore requests.
Wasn’t bar-kamtza thrown out in anger despite his begging to be allowed to remain to avoid embarrassment (and see what that brought)?
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