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WID,
I’m really not so sure, I was a kid too.
I want to reiterate that I really like this thread, I just wanted to try to explain 1987s view
Sacrilege
Yeah I agree. I dont believe in sheltering kids from knowledge and intellectualism.
Granted there are plenty of frum people that try to shelter their kids from anything and everything, but the irony is, many of these “sheltered” kids know more than their parents!
Sac,
Just for the sake of argument, you say that if a teen reading a thread has any questions heshe should ask a Rav or a Machaneches, but what about us adults, should we not be asking a RavMechaneches all our relevant issues in Judiasm, but rather be writing about it on a thread online with perfect strangers?
Chosson; Even w/ filtered internet I believe children should be supervised, the internet is a beast by nature, & I wouldn’t take any chances w/ my kids. Some kids are good at finding loop holes etc…
Yes Sac; even Super De:)Duper filtered internet.
V’nishmartem MEOD, that’s what meod means in my dictionary.
where there is a potential danger you don’t just rely on one geder or precaution. But hey, that’s just my opinion.
Bein_hasdorim:
If you walk into your computer room and see your kid on Yeshiva World would you further look into which of the threads he’s reading (even if you would, it’s probably because you participate in these threads, but what about a parent who doesn’t blog, and just knows about this site and that it’s a clean one?
I agree since I participate I know, but thats just it,
parents should make it their business to know. You dont trust a restaurants kashrus just because a lot of Chassidim frequent the place. but I get your point. My point however is that parents
shouldn’t be such Temimim, especially when it comes to internet.
and technology. It’s your biz to protect your kids so now it’s your biz to be with it.
This is off topic but do you know how many foolish parents there are who’s young bocherim are in, lets say Mesivtah and their kids
started smoking and the parents are clueless! They come home stinking from cigarette smoke their clothes reeking of it and
get off by telling their parent it’s other bochurim.
How Foolish can you be, and when they catch them w/ a cig in hand they say they were holding it for a friend. I mean some people
really need to get w/ the program.
bein_hasdorim
If you have internet at home and accesible to your children (which in itself is highly frowned upon), you can’t look over your childrens shoulder on the level that your implying you should, because if your going to start staring into exactly which thread your children are on even in a Kosher website, that sounds like a potential problem.
Sacrilge
I said “just for the sake of argument”, if you ask me, keep these threads coming, I really like it
I didn’t mean “these” as in your problems, rather I meant as in interesting.
Sorry for not being more clear
Chosson; it’s your biz to be with it, not creepy,
Sac; perhaps your “friend” has a some issue and turns to you for guidance, and you in turn, turn to the collective body of wisdom, knowledge, and life experiences that is the CR.
Sacrilege
Lol. You’re quite sarcastic. But it keeps on on our toes.
Never fall prey to the illusion that you are truly anonymous in web land. Too many people have fallen prey to their anonymous alter ego, only to be busted (and God, get those stupid photos off of facebook before you apply to college. sheesh. And don’t write “looking for a free crib, applying to _________” if you’re asking for scholarship…sigh…)
WellInformedYid,
I don’t know what you found on Google or whether it was accurate or not. (Sometimes searches turn up material that was edited out of the “final cut” of a film.)
I can tell you this that I remember no sex scene from the film. I have a different explanation than yours. I believe that either there was none or it was very insignificant.
Hakatan,
I believe you are well intentioned but I disagree with you.
First of all, a number of the actors were definitely Jewish.
Second, if you truly believe that watching a film of actors playing Jewish soldiers killing Nazis makes (in your words) “yourself a lesser person as a result of watching it” then I can only say you are lucky that my father, my uncles and my grandfather are in Olam Habah and not here to set you straight. As Holocaust survivors, they all would have loved the movie.
Homeowner
Supposedly it lasted 3 seconds and it involved graphic sounds I can’t and won’t go into more detail…
The problem is that there are movies that don’t need to have such scenes but they put them in anyways.
Additionally, it is assur to look at strange women( not your wife, daughter…) its assur to listen to nivul peh, the movie very likely had plenty of that in it, additionally there’s no reason to submit yourself to gruisome bloody images.
If you want to learn about the war read books, talk to survivors. Don’t try to “Kasher” watching Holocaust movies because Hollywood doesn’t put out anything kosher no matter the genre.
Sacrilege
I heard it was good, but I’m sure there was inappropriate dialogue or something in that movie. Hollywood is Hollywood. They have to put some filth in every movie.
let it suffice that many poskey zmanainu hold that ANYONE who watches movies is called a porutz in hilchos yichud and cannot be a shomer with regarding them.
Yes-its-me
Never heard that one before. Sounds wild. Care to throw out some names?
Yes-its-me:
Which poskim? Name the names, please, so we know where we are.
As for movies, I’m pretty careful, because like Sacrilege, once the image goes into my head, it stays there. If I’m going to see a movie, it’s on DVD and after reading the reviews. Going to real theater can be really overwhelming for some movies. And don’t ever see “Pan’s Labyrinth” – it’s a great movie but it will haunt your dreams. It’s also anti-Fascist/anti-Nazi, but you’ll still be sorry the images are in your head.
Incidentally, our local kosher dollar store has a whole rack of “kosher” DVD’s for kids. I hadn’t seen this before. How prevalent is it? The stuff looks like regular thriller/adventure, just the secret agents are from the Mossad and wear yarmulkes.
Sacrilege-
I just stumbled upon this thread, so even though my post is a little out of the flow of conversation, I still think it’s worth posting.
When I was in my last year of high school way back, our teacher told us something on precisely this topic that still remains in my mind clearly. She told us about the influences that movies and goyish music has on our hashkafos. Remember, the worst movies and music then were probably better than the cleanest movies and music nowadays, AND STILL, our teacher explained to us the damage that secular thinking and ideals can have on our yiddishe hashkafos.
One scary thing she told us was that if we wanted to raise a family that is a torah family, we first need to have our own hashkafos straight before we can attempt to impart them to our children. My advice to you is this: From the way it sounds, you are a young girl who will be’ezras hashem find the right one soon and hopefully build a family. You realize that what you are doing has an immense impact on your hashkafos and way of thinking for the negative. Help yourself get things straight now, before you build a family. If you won’t do it for yourself, do it for your chldren. Would you want them watching and listening to what you are watching and listening to? Probably not. But in order to do that, you must be solid in your torahdige hashkafos in order to impart the truth to your children.
I wish you much hatzlacha! Remember, you are halfway there! Recognizing that what you are doing is incorrect is possibly the biggest step in the process!
-WellInformedYid
why do we need names it sounds prety reasonable
Before I write what I see as the correct answer to this question I’d like to remind all readers and writers of this blog that blogs should be reserved for discussing what type of pass-time to give your kid or perhaps possible ways to help the time pass quicker on the treadmill. Halocho is not debate-able, always very definitive, and is not at all in our hands to change i.e. through our ignorant and tainted arguments. In the Sefer ????? ?? ???? ??? ? ???? ? the Author writes as follows. To gaze at an ervah with the intention of enjoyment is a Rabbinic form of the issur Lo Sikrivu Lgalos Erva which is a separate issur on all Arayos prohibiting additional forms of contact but ????????? only physical while the Rabbonon treated this as a prohibited form of contact. When one looks at an Ervah and wishes they can transgress, besides transgressing the aforementioned Issur Midrabonon they also transgress an ????? ???????? of Vlo Sosuru Acharei Eineichem which the G’moro says means Z’nus. Thinking about forms of physical contact even with a person who is Muttar to you (your spouse!!!!) is an Issur of V’nishmarto Mikol Dovor Ro. The final scenario he discusses is looking at uncovered parts of the body that are usually covered, which is both an Aveiro of Vlo Sosuru because of it’s nature to make a person desire and is also an Aveiro of V’nishmarto Mikol Dovor Ro. As far as the Issur V’nishmarto on a woman, although the Issur D’oraiso probably does not apply, there is an Issur D’rabonon of V’nishmarto in which the word Dovor Ro is defined differently than it is in the Issur D’oraiso, and includes any form of prohibited viewing.
On top of all these Issurim there is an additional Issur to gaze at the face of a Rosho which probably includes many movie actors. Now while possibly one may want to ask a sheila if the Issur Lo Sikrvu applies only to live people or even to movies, the Issurim of V’lo Sosuru and V’nishmarto most definitely do so I guess the real answer to your question is that yes, THIS IS A REAL ISSUR.
For further discussion on the Issur histaklus for a woman see the aforementioned Sefer ???? ??.
Sacrilege,
Some of the disputes here remind me (I guess it’s obligatory to insert the word “l’havdil”) of the story of the right wing reverend who objected to John Lennon’s music being played on a radio station.
When the station owner asked him to explain his objection, he said “John Lennon’s song says ‘there’s no Heaven.'”
“Wrong” said the station owner. “The lyric is ‘IMAGINE there’s no Heaven.'”
It’s these little details that are so important. 🙂
Baltimore Bubby
Those are very wise words. Good advice for all singles here.
see sevet halevi vol 5 siman 202
btw to get off non jewish music you could listen to albums like platinum by a.k.a.pella.
Sacrilege
Have you had a chance to listen to those shiurim? Any thoughts?
Sacrilege
Ok.
I would recommend A.K.A.pella 3 called “Adaptation”.
It has much better songs than Platinum.
I listened to it tons of times and couldn’t get enough of it.
How do we start a thread to protest the revulsion of this thread?
There are loads of teenagers tat read yeshiva world. It used to be that the moderators did their jobs. Now all they do is offer their opinions and delete this post. I used to feel that those extremists who yell about what yeshivawolrd shoulnt publishes were retarded but now I see that their fears were warranted. The discussions on this forum are insane. There are sites like yahoo and rotten tomatoes or kidsinmind that rate movies. But yeshivaworld? rating movies? The crowd here should go post on frumteen.com a more modern alternative nut YESHIVAworld. come on! should
So it’s OK on “frumteens” but not on “yeshivaworld”?
Who gets to decide if it’s OK? I would assume the site owners. Unless you think that the name of the site gives you and everybody the right to censor its content, in which case I don’t see a reason to distinguish between the two names for content censoring.
Not that I agree or disagree with your point.
Sacrilege
I’m really happy you liked it, that’s so great BH! You are welcome!
Which one did you listen to?
He speaks in Queens I believe. If he were speaking in Brooklyn id totally go if I was available that night.
Sacrilege
Yes that’s his specialty. He has lots of great shiurim on that topic as well as a public debate with a priest. He takes the guy apart. Its quite fascinating!
I have listed to many of his shiurim and I find them all quite satisfying and inspiring.
I wouldn’t shlep into the city for a shiur when I could listen to it online or download it in a few days.
Sacrilege
Yeah he mentions the debate in some of his lectures. Its really out there because I don’t think its been done by anyone else.
What I do sometimes to relax at home lateat night, Ill put on something comfy like pjs… gather a ton of junkfood and sit in a comfortable chair or couch and listen with my ipod while happily noshing like there’s no tomorrow. Lol.
What I do other times is listen to a lecture while exercising, that way I get to exercise my physical and spiritual muscles at the same time. I used to think I “have to listen to music” when exercising but I found that I’m quite happy listening to a lecture.
You should know I really gained a lot from listening to Torah lectures. I must have heard hundreds over the last year or 2. If you make it a habit to listen daily or a few times a week to a shiur you will become a changed person and it will make it easier to grow in yiddishkiet.
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