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Some people i know get quite intoxicated by the end of the seder. Is there some mekor for this, or is it just stam the natural consequence of drinking four cups. Also, how alchoholic should the seder wine be.
we have Bartenura blue bottle, some dry red wine my DH likes (since I don’t, I don’t even know what kind it is), Kal, & muss.
It is a minhag because when they went out of mitzrayim,, they were rushed and confused. So we want to mimic the confusion.
Is it just me or does every religious custom somehow just end up as an excuse to get drunk?
Is it just me or does every religious custom somehow just end up as an excuse to get drunk?
It is just you. You should stop drinking so much.
Drinking is not good for you liver, marriage, job, and car.
Rasha: correct me if i’m wrong but it sounds as if you are implying that there is something wrong with making every religious custom into an excuse to get drunk. If that is indeed what you meant, would you care to explain why it is wrong?
Klach: I don’t think Rasha Gamur was trying to bash orthodox Jews. I think he was merely trying to ascertain what the metzius is.
“It is a minhag because when they went out of mitzrayim,, they were rushed and confused. So we want to mimic the confusion.”
I guess that’s also the source of the inyan to rush through the seder.
They go together. You cannot get drunk from four cups of wine, unless you rush through the Seder.
NO there is NO minhag or mitzvah to get drunk at the seder and you can buy wine that is “kal” and has less alcohol. You can even mix wine with grape juice or use grape juice if you have to.
According to HaLeiVi’s logic it comes out that we’re not trying to mimick the confusion, rather we are mimicking the rushing and mimayla the confusion is also mimicked.
The source of the mitzva to rush through the seder is the nishama which wants to do things it gains from because it understands how it affects a persons middos. If it doesn’t understand it it becomes a mitzva just to do it. So the person just does it. Externally looking frum is stupid. If you think it should be done differently it must be understood to the point of articulation of how it afects your middos. Sorry, but “the frum people do it that way” just doesn’t cut it.
Bar Shattya
would you care to explain what you meant in a consice form so that even the non-intellectuals such as myself can understand your point?
learn how to handle your alcohol. If you can’t, drink low percent or grape juice.
Even though I use wine for all four cups, I use a low-alcohol wine, so I don’t get drunk.
But then again, since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that.
The Wolf
The shuchan aruch says that you should use the best wines for the seder, which is usually 13.5% and up. I have never gotten drunk at a seder using these wines and no one else needs to either.
“since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that”
Wolfish, why so self-deprecating? Or are u a henpecked spouse? I’m sure u could find at least ONE thing u’ve done correctly (your spelling, e.g.)
Moadim l’simcha
“Some people i know get quite intoxicated by the end of the seder.”
You seem to be “Dan them L’caf Zecus”, the ones I know who get drunk is because they want to. Some frum people look for any excuse to “Shikur Zich On”!
There are wines that have very low alcohol levels. People will find any excuse to get drunk. Hopefully, they don’t drive. Yes, I know it’s Yom Tov, but not everyone is observant. Please, no comments or preaching about this. Not everyone is observant.
Walton, that reminds me of something I read. Non-Jews celebrate their holidays. Jews observe them. We observe Passover, we observe Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. We never say we are celebrating anything.
I must agree with Health; If someone chooses L’Chatchila to get drunk (while they’re conscious), there is no way that anyone can be dan L’Kaf Zchus. If one can’t handle their alcohol, they should avoid getting drunk. This past Yom Tov, after being guests at the Seder, my wife and I walked home (about Fifteen blocks.). On the way we could hear how those people who got drunk sounded. You could really tell who sang Hallel and who slurred their words. They (the drunks) couldn’t control their tune either. They went up and down in the same breath.
The wine SHOULD make one Tiddly בגילופין מבוסם
Should put one in a good, thankful and (high) appreciative mood.
Should add to a total memorable and amazing experience.
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