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YWN posted an excellent letter today from an anonymous source decrying the continuing silence and implied complicity of gadolei yisroel with respect to the ongoing terrorist actions undertaken by followers of a specific Rav (who shall not be named) whose actions have resulted in injuries, millions of NIS in property damage and untold misery to hundreds of thousands of innocent Israelis who want nothing more than to get up in the morning, get their kids to school, get to work and home without having to deal with these useless yungerleit for whom throwing rocks and starting fires is considerably more exciting then shteiging in the yeshivos. The author of today’s article tries to provide some rationalization for this seeming complicity and refusal to condemn the actions of this Rav and his followers by claiming they are “uninformed” or being “misled” about the real nature and impact of the Peleg demonstrations. I find it implausible but wonder whether others truly accept this rationale for the continuing radio silence from those gadolim who arguably could stop or mitigate this ongoing chilul hashem (or at least channel the demonstration into some form of non-disruptive civil disobedience).
Wow, I thought you were going to manage to write that entire post in one sentence, but a period finally appeared about halfway through. Still, it’s gotta be a near-CR record.
If the gedolei yisroel are “complicit” in the protests, that is proof that the protests are righteous and that everyone who hasn’t yet joined the protesters should do so expeditiously.
People who just want to go about their business while the world burns around them and the government is trying to convert them to Minus, rachmana letzlan, are complicit Misyavnim.
Actually Yated has been condemning them. The fact of the matter is that these protests are part of a rebellion against Rav Steinman as leader of the Lithuanian Haredim. Other talmidei chachamim are probably scared to come out publicly against them. The Atra Kadisha thugs even stoned Rav Eliashiv when he reached an agreement on moving graves. However, if the boycott of the Badatz gains steam they will push to crush these thugs. Already they Badatz issued a statement disassociating itself from the Peleg.
Maybe they approve of the message but not the tactics and dont want to take away from the efforts.
We’ve been hearing about “boycotting the Badatz” for over 40 years already.
Joseph just slandered The Gedolei Hador, Rav Shteinman, Rav Kanievsky, Rav Gershon Edelstein, Rav Dov landau – all of whom are way older than the DAAS YOCHID on the other side.
What a sicko you are Joseph. Oh right, your Mesarev Ledin Rosh Yeshiva from Chaim Berlin also jumped on board, because two very nasty and bitter Roshei Yeshiva, who had the same Shadchan, who both had vicious nasty nasty divorces who both hate the Gedolim in Bnei Brak over their divorces shlepped him into this mess. What a farce.
Hell isn’t hot enough for the Reshoyim surrounding Rav Shmuel Auerbach for what they did this this massive Gadol. He is clueless as to what’s going on.
Truth is. I need to admit….they actually accomplished….. they accomplished that Rav Shmuel Auerbach will never ever be universally accepted as the Gadol Hador. Thanks to the 10 Reshoyim arurim who surround him.
Rav Chaim has spoken out against the Peleg protests
Hagaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky On The Peleg: Like A Sheep Without A Shepherd
@Godolhadorah I did not mean for this thread to become an extension of what seems to be an ongoing exchange of insults and venom
Excuse me while I take a few minutes to draw breath again …
You seem entirely oblivious to the utter hypocrisy you’ve just espoused.
You have spend months using the most disgusting language about Peleg and its rabbonim and wished awful things would happen to them. You have been one of the primarily culprits of hysterical reaction, and now you dare to take the moral high ground here and ask for reduction in venom.
Take a very long hard honest look in the mirror before commenting again.
שתיקה כהודאה
Doer, sometimes it means that the statement does not deserve an answer (see Baba Batra 62a Tosofot d”h umodeh).
Besides the fact that Rav Chaim Kanivesky DID speak out against the Protests, Rav Aharon Leib is sick and not in a position right now to do anything (May Hashem give him a full refuah Shelemah)
Who would be influenced by mainstream Rabbonim speaking out against the protests?
For those in the Peleg themselves, they obviously won’t listen to Rabbonim from the “Misyavnim” camp.
For those in the mainstream, they are firmly against the protests (and protesters) anyway.
So it theoretically would only influence those “on the fence”.
The thing is, there are very few who aren’t firmly on one side or the other. (That is the nature of the land, you are either black or white. The question always is, which is black and which is white…)On the other hand speaking out publically against them has many problems.
- A public dispute between Gedolim is a huge Chilul Hashem; even larger than the protests themselves. There is nothing more important than minimizing Chilul Hashem.
Disruptive protests in Israel are pretty common. The invalids protests are sometimes more disruptive than the Peleg ones – they just have understandably way more sympathy for their cause. - Harav Shmuel Auerbach Shlit’a is a tremendous Talmid Chochom and Yarei Shamayim. There is no real dispute about that. Coming out publicly directly against him can therefore only be done for a desperate need, and even then, with a tremendous amount of thought and subtlety; taking care to minimize as much as possible the Bizayaon of a Talmid Chochom.
- Coming out publically against the protests, in a way acknowledges that there is another side that is large enough to require acknowledgement, and that there is really an internal Machlokes within the Torah world. The Rabbonim in Eretz Yisroel have always tried to avoid this.
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You do not understand how Gedolim Speak. They do not speak directly, they speak indirectly and their followers understand the meaning
- A public dispute between Gedolim is a huge Chilul Hashem; even larger than the protests themselves. There is nothing more important than minimizing Chilul Hashem.
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