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i heard its better to drink some minute amount of soap (non toxic of course) before consuming matzo because the matzo will go into your digestive tract and mix with the digestive juices and maybe there was some flour in the matzo which you failed to chew down and then it will become chometz before reaching your stomach. so just like when you do hagolo you add a little soap you should do the same before eating matzo. i heard this is not halocho but just a chumrah in order to just be a little more certain. does anyone know the source for this?
besalel– Are you being serious? I can’t tell.
There are Chassidim who do not eat ANY Matza on Peseach except for the Sedarim for fear of it becoming Gebroachs and Hametz. There was an article about them on another site
Besalel,
I think a coffee may help you sober up or at least alleviate the effects of the kool ade you have been imbibing in.
believe me, i was surprised as the next guy hearing this. i asked the maggid shyr why is it that the shulchun auruch didnt bring this down and he said its because in those days they didnt have kosher lpeisach soap but now that it is widely available even the shulchn auruch would agree its preferable (although not din) to do so. i was wondering whats the source for this or is it just svuruh.
ZD,
Not for fear of it becoming gebrochts. That is something you made up and added because you wanted a reaction. And it is not just chasidim, many Brisker do the same as well.
The single item that are most likely to be ??? are the matzos. Therefore they limit eating to the mitzvah. This a chumrah they accept for themselves. They do not force on anyone else.
You should be particularly happy since they spend very little on matzos because of the chumra.
at least in the eyes of those who don’t keep the Chumra.”
Seriously??? With all due respect, unless I misunderstood you your own statement seems to prove my point, if you yourself think the negativity is all in the mind of the meikeil. It isn’t. Those who hold by a chumrah typically tend to see themselves as more frum than those who don’t. It can cause problems with shidduchim, Sholom Bayis (when one spouse holds by a particular chumrah and the other one does not want to). Then, when the CHUMRAH becomes the ikar haDin in the minds of those who hold it, the actual Din becomes tafeil to the chumrah.
besalel, how would your maggid shiur know what the Shulchan Aruch would or wouldn’t do? It sounds to me like he’s still feeling the effects of his Purim wine.
takkeh: earlier today on this very site Rabbi Hoffman wrote on his entry (which, derekh agav, reads like a clone of the analysis done by Rabbi Ari Senter 2 years ago for Kof K magazine – Nissan 5772, Page 5 – i wonder if rabbi senter gets royalty payments for rabbi hoffmans article), “One last question remains. Why was the Mishna Brurah silent? This author would like to suggest that at the time the Mishna Brurah was written, the other underlying issues were still a factor and had not been adequately resolved. We can conjecture that etc etc etc
I dont see how my maggid shyr is any different.
zdad:
“The reason why people care is because “no man is an island” People mix with each other and Gebroach eaters and non-gebroach eaters will usually mix in some form either a family event. Shopping at the same store etc.
You are forced to pay more as the store for example needs to only stock non-gebraoch items which can cost more making it more difficult for people who dont observe to celebrate Peseach”
I’m sorry, but it’s simply ridiculous to expect people to give up their family minhag for such a far-fetched reason.
Do you believe that it is wrong for people to be vegetarians since “The reason why people care is because “no man is an island” People mix with each other and vegetarians and non-vegetarians eaters will usually mix in some form either a family event. Shopping at the same store etc. You are forced to pay more as the store for example needs to only stock vegetarian items which can cost more making it more difficult for people who are out of shape to become healthy”?
oomis:
“Those who hold by a chumrah typically tend to see themselves as more frum than those who don’t.”
Such sweeping generalizations seem to prove the point that the negativity may indeed be in the mind of the meikeil. Contrary to all-too-popular opinion, being dan li’kaf zechus applies to those who are more machmir than you just as much as it applies to any other Jew.
i agree with Haleivi here. i dont think any adult will consider gebrokts like a regular chumrah, and the whole chumrah thread isnt nogaia here.
I heard one of the big rebbes said that gebrokts is more nogaia nowadays cause matzoh is made with more chumros in less time which makes it easier to have some flour in it
Contrary to all-too-popular opinion, being dan li’kaf zechus applies to those who are more machmir than you just as much as it applies to any other Jew”
It is unrealistic to think that people who are machmir (when solely halachically-speaking they have no reason to be), do not think they are just that little bit more frum. They do, and blind refusal to acknowledge that fact, is a little naive. And yes, I am personally dan l’kaf zechus on my more machmir friends in MANY ways, but I have heard enough judgmental comments come out of their mouths regarding people whom they deem to be less frum than they, to make me realize that this is so. And that is no sweeping generalization. However, I also acknowledge that your experience may vastly differ from mine, thus your own observations reach a different conclusion.
no point being rude, consider this edit your conscience speaking
How come even those who don’t eat gebrokts (matzo balls etc.) on Pesach, do so on the last day of pesach
4 out of the next 5 years this shall be very problematic, as they won’t be able to cook their Matzo balls, on Eighth day of Pesach which shall be on a Shabbos.
I already consume Matzo balls at 1st Seder as they are so yummy, so this issue 4 out of the next 5 years shall not be my problem.
pesach without matzah balls?! Thats like shabbos without seltzer water!!
You raise an interesting question, 147, as those who eat Kneidlach on the last night prepare them when it’s already night. I think there are actually tshuvos written about whether / how to cook those famous (or infamous) matzo balls when Pesach comes out like that. Maybe the posters who usually chime in with their piskei Halacha, will chime in here.
As for the thornier issue of machmirim & meikilim looking at each other the wrong way, and being offended by each other’s attitudes, and worrying (or imagining) that they’re not getting enough respect from each other- that can easily be solved if we all learn not to take ourselves (or our Kneidlach) so seriously. There are so many other things to worry about, it’s a waste of time to be so busy making sure the other guy is giving us and our minhagim (or lack thereof) sufficient kavod.
I’m curious – do people in E”Y who don’t eat gebrokts also eat it on the last (7th) day, or is this only in chu”l where there’s an 8th day?
The Brisker Rov used to davka eat kneidlach on 1st night Pesach just to show the chassidim that their ‘chumrah’ is nothing more than a bobbe maisa.
The seifer Minchas Yehudah brings a maisa that R’Chaim Valozhoner once went to visit the Gaon on chol hamoed to see if he ate kneidlach, so the Gaon picked up a kneidel and ate it right in front of him and said that theres no chashash.
Even those who are choishesh for Gebroks, it should only be on Pesach itself. However, if you make Kneidlach before Yom Tov, any chashash chometz should be botel, and everybody should eat them? So why are you worried about Gebroktz premade?
yekke: We hold that Chametz is Chozer V’neor. I don’t hear the question.
And then there’s the Rebbe who Davka ate a non-burned Matzah during the Seder, just to show the Brisker Rav that there is nothing to worry about.
Our menu is growing by proving everybody wrong. So far we have Cholent, Matza, kneidlach, and wiskey on Purim. What else can I prove now? I’m hungry.
Speak to any talmid of rav moshe and you’ll see that saying he had strong opposition to not eating gebrokts is an extreme understatement.
I once attended a Shiur by Rav Avigdor Miller ZTKLLH’H where someone posed a question:- What do we consume Matzo Balls? Response:- “Because they taste good!!”.
BTW:- We are just over 2 weeks away from the 13th Johrzeit, so we are about to have Bar-Mitzwah of the 1st boys bearing his namesake.
Sam2 – There is no such thing as Bittul on Chometz which is Bottel Beshishim from before Pesach?
yekke: It’s a Machlokes HaPoskim. The Rama Paskens Chozer V’neor and that is the prevalent Ashkenazi Psak.
This is an old discussion… many threads on this topic. Here’s one for starters.
How do those who dont eat Gebroachs eat Korech. Between the Juice on the Lettuce and the Wine/Grape Juice on the Charoset, The Matza is bound to get wet
Mei peiros ein machmitzin.
But then maybe we’d have a matza ashira problem (acc to r chaim an issur on the 1st day) 🙂
Is it a coincidence gebrokts has the same # of letters as geshmack? I think not.
zahavasdad-people who are really machmir on gebrotz towel dry the leaves. They’ll also only use charoses by maror, not by korach.
I had some matzah brei for lunch today. Delicious!
Gamanit: If that is the case, then according to Pashut P’shat in several (most?) Rishonim, they are not Yotzei Korech.
I personally don’t eat gebrokts, but we don’t go crazy over it. No drying leaves, and no shaking off charoses after dipping.
How do those who dont eat Gebroachs eat Korech. Between the Juice on the Lettuce and the Wine/Grape Juice on the Charoset, The Matza is bound to get wet “
Not a problem if eaten quickly, before it has a chance to ferment.
How come even those who don’t eat gebrokts (matzo balls etc.) on Pesach, do so on the last day of Pesach Now for 4 out of 5 years running, everyone will be cooking Gebrokts on Shevi’i Shel Pesach by dint of Eruv Tavshilin.
I think there should be a new rule men fregt nisht kein kasha oif ah minhag, similar to a kasha oif ah maiseh. Minhagim rarely make sense we do it becuase our parents did it.
So why do those who dont eat gebrokts eat it the ladt day?
Because thats the minhag.
(Incidently, some only eat gebrokts the last day when the following year is a leap year)
Sam2 As far as I’m aware, the standard minhag among non-gebrokts eaters (present company included) is not to use charoses for korech.
As for viewing those who eat gebrokts as “less frum” Please switch every mention of black-hats in this thread http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/black-hat-2 to “not eating gebrokts” and the EXACT same conversation can be had regarding Gebrokts vs non-gebrokts (which is viewed as a chasidish lmisnaged divide)
Reb Yitxchok Hutner was makpid that people eat gebrokts.
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