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I was wondering… is a Gavrah also a Cheftza or not?
For example, the service of the Leviim.
n0mesorah, how is a gavra a cheftza by the leviim’s service? Maybe the parents are a cheftza (object) of the mitzva of kibud av voaim.
When i was learning by my holy teacher Rabbi Dr. Andrew Sinowitz he told me over from i believe Aristotle or Plato that E pluribus Unum means that out of the collective it is one and we can deduce from there that only in the collective is the man considered an object, which is the cheftza of achdut. May he rest in peace. truly an Honorable man.
why are you bringing proofs from aristotle and plato, they were Sonei yisroel, how how about bringing a proof from Reb chaim brisker, he talks about what a gavra and chetza is, in hilchos korban pesach, regarding a kid who became bar mitsva after pesach etc. look over there and understand what hes saying then all your questions will be answered. first understand what is a chiyuv of a gavram and a chiyuv of a cheftsa, and then you have to figure out, how can a cheftza have a chiuv, only a gavra can have a chiyuv? i belive this is what Reb Chaim is trying to answer in that shtickel. let me know what you think.
Maybe a cheftza shel mitzva like Yaakov Avinu said to Lavan, bring me my wife to have relations with her.
Dear Reb Eliezer,
My parents are not my esrog. I am not to treat them in some ritualistic manner, like a symbolic object. The wishes and the honor of my parents is the cheftza. The same with Yaakov and Rachel.But the Leviim are part of the ritualistic act that is incumbent on all the Yidden to ensure it’s continuity. Just like the Beis Hamikdash is a cheftza, so too are the Leviim on their watch or platform. They could be defined as the cheftzah of being present within the required context.
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Dear Maivin,
What is your question?By Yaakov Avinu Bereshis 29,21 I am trying to answer Rashi’s kashye to have children.
Are you saying that the 2 dinim דרך הלימוד of Reb Chaim Brisker refer to the din on the gavra and the din on the cheftza?
And are you also saying that without Brisker Torah you can not have 2 dinim and also you could not define Gavra and Cheftza?
I will try to conceptualize this dichotomy for you depending on your havanah.
Thanks for your הבנה and by corollary the minimizing of the Brisker derech. Would it be safe to say that you dispute the statement that רב חיים האט אופגעבראכען ש”ס. ? BE
BE, Rav Chaim says that the cheftza of Torah requires a brocho as birchas Hatorah even women.
Let me suggest this for you. The din is that on something that is assur you don’t bentch. Now if you have chazir as the issur, is it the same as something that is stolen and is assur? see what I am trying to say ?
Kidnapping someone would be the gavra the cheftza. This could be why it is indicated in lo signov, no nignav, singular, whereas stealing something from someone involves two individuals, the ganev and the nignav, so it says lo signovu, plural.
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