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No, not video games.
(Note: The money/commerce issue is not included.)
Writing/Marking:
Why Did the Chicken…?
Say Anything Family Edition
Wits & Wagers Family
(^Unless you want to remember everything everyone said)
Boggle
Pictionary, Telestrations, etc.
Ghoulash, Scotland Yard/Mr. X, Escape from the Aliens in Outer Space, Duel in the Dark, Specter Ops, Fury of Dracula, Letters from Whitechapel, or any other write-your-hidden-location game
Qwixx
Roll Through the Ages: The Bronze Age/The Iron Age
Witness
Some editions of Scrabble (or so I hear)
Soundtrack:
Pingo Pingo (a remake of)/ Squad Seven
Space Alert
Escape: The Curse of the Temple/Zombie City
(^All might technically be playable with someone tracking
and announcing the timed events)
Numerous music trivia games
App:
XCOM: The Board Game
Alchemists
Leaders – The Combined Game
Golem Arcana
(Mice and Mystics, if you want to listen to the story
instead of reading it)
Electric:
Bugs in the Kitchen
Loopin’ Louie (and all its incarnations)
Dark Tower (not that anyone here has it – it’s older than I am)
Lightning Reaction (It’s more of a toy than a game, really, but I wanted to include it because – not making this up – it electrically shocks the players.)
Putting stickers and/or writing on the board/cards:
Risk Legacy
Pandemic Legacy – Season 1 (to be released in late 2015)
We Didn’t Playtest This: Legacies
SeaFall
monopoly is not a game for shabbos due to the fact that it deals with money
selling kibbudim on shabbos deals with money
Tzeddakah is allowed to be promised on Shabbos, and we purposely inflate the numbers pledged. Monopoly, though just a game includes wheeling and dealing and does not fit the bill.
Monopoly is a shailah. Rav Scheinberg zatzal allowed it, but others do not.
Monopoly is a shailah. Rav Scheinberg zatzal allowed it, but others do not.
The purpose of Shabbos is to learn Torah, not to play games.
“it deals with money”
No, it doesn’t.
Fundraising by shuls DOES deal with money and it is mutar. (Never understood why.)
To anyone who thinks that Monopoly is about money….
I will sell you my Monopoly money for real US dollars and give you a ten percent commission to sweeten the deal.
If you think that Monopoly is about money you will accept the deal.
Charlie, there’s no object being sold. See M”B 306, 33.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14171&st=&pgnum=199
“Racko” or similar games can be a serious problem on Shabbos.
The issue with “Racko” is that a major part of the game involves finding cards in your “rack” that don’t fit into your sequence, and removing them. It involves the melacha of Borer (selecting), as you are removing the unwanted card from your rack.
Comlink: I’ll argue with you. Let’s say a game like gin or rummy, where part of the game is discarding (not playing, but discarding) the cards that don’t fit in your hand, could definitely be Borer. I could hear a claim why it’s not if the card is still playable after, in which case a “discard” is really just another form of “playing” the card, but I’m eh on accepting that.
You forgot Operation
Pokemon go
you forgot the seniors game rummy.
Dovrosenbaum, do you usually write with your hand? Then why don’t you tie it to your belt on shabbos so there won’t be a chashash that you will come to write?
Does no one have any emunoh in the strength of what they were brought up with and taught? Must we always resort to gedorim that insult the generations that built up our schools and yeshivos so that we would have knowledge and emunoh, and confidence in our day to day Jewish practice?
yichusdik, the halacha is that you are not allowed to play a game on Shabbos that normally involves writing. This is the halacha, so it doesn’t matter what we think. But, it’s not comparable to a hand. The hand’s function is not writing; that is merely one thing it does. If you’re playing a game that doesn’t normally involve writing but you happened to have once or twice written while you played it, I would imagine that it’s not assur to play it on Shabbos.
btw, what we used to do when we were kids: even when we played Scrabble during the week, we would play w/o writing so that it would be muttar to play on Shabbos. We took a catalog or big book and turned the pages to keep track of the score. I’m not paskening that this makes it muttar to play on Shabbos (ask your own Rav) – I just remember that’s what we did as kids.
“you are not allowed to play a game on Shabbos that normally involves writing”
this is the view of the chayei adam. online, I read a rav who quoted R’ Scheinberg saying that it’s mutar if you’re really really careful. I like your approach a lot though; a very creative way to avoid the issue altogether.
You missed the best writing game of all . . . Balderdash!
Any game that would normally involve writing would be uvda d’chol.
Lilmod – I was using the concept of gezeirah shova to make a point to Dovrosenbaum. I know what the halocho is. He wrote “we don’t play games on shabbos” and didnt qualify, as you did, games that usually involve writing. His assumption of what the proper response to a chashash should be is what I was referencing.
Candyland
Why can’t you play Candyland on Shabbos?
when was the last time you played a game in Shabbos anyway?
If the game does not involve things that are assur, who is to say what is oneg Shabbos for someone? One poster says SHabbos is for studying Torah not games, but there is a concept of oneg–is it subjective or not?
Does anyone know if there’s an issue playing with lego on shabbos?
Though kids usually select the pieces they want, they also move away the pieces they don’t, out of force of habit.
Also, once kids build items, they usually are intent on leaving it built as long as possible, and don’t want to dismantle it on shabbos.
Is there then an issue of boneh?
One has to be very careful about telling children not to play with their favorite toy on Shabbos (Yeah I know many toys are electronic and assur) but yelling Muktah or Shabbos at young children who might not understand might give them a very negative view of shabbos and instead of a good day, they will see it in a very negative light
One should try to keep away the electronic toys first and worry about the lego’s and tinker toys later, Taking them all away and making the kid take out a sefer instead may backfire
Comlink-x
Thank you so much!!
What an amazing summary!!
sounds like a great game! thanks for sharing!
“One should try to keep away the electronic toys first and worry about the lego’s and tinker toys later, Taking them all away and making the kid take out a sefer instead may backfire”
I think that all or most Poskim say that they are not a problem for kids. I am sure that no one says that you have to take it away from a kid (certainly not a kid who is young enough that “it will backfire”).
I agree with your point though, and it is a very important point. When taking away something from a kid on Shabbos, you have to be very careful how it is done.
I once read an article in which someone said that instead of saying, “we don’t do x on Shabbos”, you should say, “we can do x on sunday”.
I disagree with that, but I agree that you should try to phrase things positively. You should say, “We do Y & Z on Shabbos”.
Knitting
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