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  • #604221
    ymhtb1
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    Just heard a new halacha. it is assur to flush a toilet on shabbos because you are sending water, tissues, …. from reshus hayachid into reshus harabim.

    Please share your thoughts.

    #886474
    147
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    Then according to your line of thinking, don’t open your water faucet, because you are bringing in water from a Reshus hoRabim to a Reshus haYochid, and when water & crumbs goes down your sink drain, it will go back to a Reshus hoRabim.

    Fortunately, I have learned tractate Shabbos, and IY’H look forward to recommencing tractate Shabbos on Chamishi shel Sukkos courtesy of Ushpizin Moshe when 13th cycle commences tractate Shabbos, and when you shall be learning tractate Shabbos on the 13th cycle, you shall soon become acquainted with the fact, that below a certain level under the ground, where your water pipes run, there is no such thing as a Reshus hoRabbim.

    #886475
    R.T.
    Participant

    The question has been around for a couple of decades already. I don’t think underground plumbing is considered reshus harabim or even a carmelit. As for tissues, well — that souldn’t be flushed down any day of the week.

    #886476
    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    Totally wrong- the pipes are not reshus horabbim by any stretch- they are- at most- a mokom petur and hence the person who told you this “minhag” should look into more carefully.

    #886477
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What about the fact that it’s assur to wash the floor on Shabbos, and the toilet, being m’chubar l’karka (attached to the ground) is considered part of the floor?

    #886478
    ymhtb1
    Member

    Well 147 its not my line of thinking. As i said in my op i heard this Halcha, meaning i heard it from someone else.

    Believe me i do not hold from it and was just curios on what other people had to say about it.

    #886479
    Sam2
    Participant

    The only Issurim you can come up with in this case are at most D’rabannan (and I’ve heard some decent S’varos Le’esor) and Gadol Kavod Habriyos Shedoche…

    #886480
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I’ve heard some decent S’varos Le’esor

    What have you heard?

    #886481
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Can one use a plunger on Shabbos?

    #886482
    more_2
    Member

    Why not?

    #886483
    more_2
    Member

    What melacha are you doing by using a plunger?

    #886484
    lesschumras
    Participant

    I can’t believe this subject warrants serious discussion. If ever anything qualifed for less chumras, this is it

    #886485
    147
    Participant

    Shemiras Shabbos KeHilchoso:- Chapter 23 Paragraph 11:- Yes:- Plungers can be utilized on Shabbos when there is an important need to do so.

    #886486
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    42,

    Machlokes haposkim, if it’s not badly stuffed. A severely stuffed toilet is assur even according to the meikilim.

    #886487

    If R Akiva Eigers tshuva wasnt good enough for you then i dont know how to help you all. Enjoy your boich svaros

    #886488
    shlishi
    Member

    DaasYochid: What is a person with one toilet that is severely oversytuffed early on Shabbos to do?

    abba: What does Rav Akiva Eiger say?

    #886489
    oomis
    Participant

    Who would use a plunger on Shabbos when it WASN’T important to do so? Please, people! A bissel seichel.

    #886490
    shlishi
    Member

    oomis: DaasYochid cited that specifically when the toilet was severely stuffed, that it is assur to plunge.

    #886491
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What is a person with one toilet that is severely oversytuffed early on Shabbos to do?

    I assume it would be muttar to ask a non-Jew.

    #886492
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Who would use a plunger on Shabbos when it WASN’T important to do so? Please, people! A bissel seichel.

    I’m not sure what you mean.

    There is a machlokes whether plunging a toilet which is only mildly stuffed is muttar or assur on Shabbos. Most rabbonim would probably tell you that if there is another toilet available, don’t plunge it, but if there is only one available, one can rely on the lenient opinion.

    #886493
    pcoz
    Member

    One of the points of discussion when the Mir was on the trans-Siberia train to Shanghai for 3 weeks was if you could flush the toilet on shabbos, but that is different becuase the waste goes straight on to the track

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