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What is the halacha here?
Take a look at this Taz 95:3. What is his maskana? Do we paskin like this?
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&st=&pgnum=432&hilite=
It seems that the ??”? understands his ????? like the ??”? that there is no issue of ?????? at all regarding ????, and that the idea of ????? ?????? giving the ??? of ??? doesn’t apply to ????. This answers the ???? ?????’s ?????, which is what I think was bothering you, pba (it bothered me until I saw the ??”?.)
honestly, I must say I never gave it too much thought in the past, but putting a piece of fish on a plate with a steak or beef item is like dancing on your bathroom sink. You can do it and its not going to be a bad thing, but they dont swim together in life so let them exist separately. That said, you can eat a meal with both just keep them on separate serving trays and plates. Thats my own feeling. And this is just the way I feel. But the ChaBaD rabbi in my synagogue one day ran around to all the tables to make sure that no persons kept their fish on the same plate as a piece of meat we were served. I did not doubt that it was a consideration, but I never realized if it was really a priority or just really over kill and silly foolish superstition. Its not. I can not quote the laws but I know what is what. Fish and Chicken is not a big problem but Fish and Lamb is like dancing on your toilet lid. I never want to try that really. But you still wont fall in the toilet.
Fish and Chicken on the same plate is like taking a shower with marbles on the bottom of the shower stall. It wont be a trouble but dont slip on one and fall and hurt your soul. Thanks!
They don’t swim together in life. One is a water animal and the other a land animal. So spiritually thinking, I say that they actually compete with eachother in the magical mystical realm of the mind as to which one is to be eaten first. So thats why we dont do it. It does not destroy your mysticism, but you wont know which comes first. To put lamb and beef or chicken together on the same plate does not make you choose between a water creature and a land creature. So if you can, separate these items.
Basket of radishes,
That, and ????.
No surf and turf!
No surf and turf!
What’s that?
Daas Yochid~ surf & turf is fish & meat — surf=water, turf=land; typically in goyish/treif restaurants they serve a main dish of lobster & a piece of steak (on the same plate).
It’s more like dancing on a basket of radishes. They won’t squash but I wouldn’t want to eat them (especially considering all the other places you tried dancing).
Thanks for the info.
For the record, the OP was referring to fish cooked in a meat pot.
Sorry DY, that was my brand of humor as surf and turf is not a kosher concept 🙂
DH’s family doesn’t cook fish and meat in the same pot. When we were engaged DH and I discussed this and I thought it was too complicated for me. He discussed it with his Rabbi who said it wasn’t really an issue so we use fleisch pots for fish.
Interesting thread. I think that most families have a separate pot for cooking fish, whether to keep it pareve or because of the sakkanah concept. However, I have never seen anyone be “makpid’ on plates being only for fish or meat, or even the cutlery. Clearly, at that time, it is not “jad soledes bo’ and there would be no “bliyos” Obviously, to have fish and meat on the same plate at the same time does bring into play the possibility of ‘sakkanah’, because it is “mamoshus”- actual fish and meat, not just the possible “beliy-os”
SJS,
No apology necessary, I just wanted to point out (since the OP just posted a link to a ?”? which many people might not get) what the topic was about.
Surf and turf is not a kosher concept because of the halachos of separating fish and meat!
DY, not just seperating fish and meat – its usually lobster and steak. No kosher lobster that I’m aware of (and really? boiling an animal alive? that seems so cruel to me)
Technically, you could call sushi made with meat surf and turf since algae grows in the water 🙂
Oh, I thought surf and turf was any fish and meat.
Over ???, I saw the ??? ????? with ??????. We do paskin this way, with possible ???? ??????. There is basis for the ???? described by SJS and rabbiofberlin, at the very least, to avoid issues of ?????.
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