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    Health
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    In another Frum website, there’s a discussion whether parking by a hydrant is okay or never should be done. What’s your opinion?

    #1197262
    Joseph
    Participant

    Why should it ever be okay?

    #1197263
    blubluh
    Participant

    My opinion is that it’s not OK. The ordinance against parking in front of a fire hydrant is a rational precaution in case a fire truck needs access to the hydrant to put out a fire. Hence, it’s not a “chok” that one might avoid because of chukas hagoy.

    Although one might might be confident that one can respond in time to move one’s vehicle should such an emergency arise, there’s simply no way one can be certain of that and lives are at stake.

    #1197264
    iacisrmma
    Participant

    It depends. Since NYC allows it under limited circumstances it will be okay if you follow that guideline. In Section 4-08 of the NYC Traffic rules it states:

    (2) Hydrants. Within fifteen feet of a fire hydrant, unless otherwise indicated by signs, or parking

    meters, except that during the period from sunrise to sunset if standing is not otherwise

    prohibited, the operator of a passenger car may stand the vehicle alongside a fire hydrant

    provided that the operator remains in the operator’s seat ready for immediate operation of the

    vehicle at all times and starts the motor of the car on hearing the approach of fire apparatus, and

    provided further, that the operator shall immediately remove the car from alongside the fire

    hydrant when instructed to do so by any member of the police, fire, or other municipal department

    acting in his/her official capacity.

    So at night, no.

    #1197265
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    If it’s illegal, then it’s assur. 1. Dina d’malchusa dina 2. Chillul Hashem.

    #1197266
    Little Froggie
    Participant

    Thank you Mr. Mayor for posing this question to us, little beings, going about our business of parking, searching, snooping, snatching, guarding, grabbing, grasping … having all available space outlawed, prohibited.. Every bus stop – half a city block, every hydrant – thirty feet. I surely do suppose you own a garage at Gracie Mansion, otherwise half your day would be wasted at circling round and round, you couldn’t be too productive…

    Mr. Mayor, our bravest are slightly more advanced, they know more or less how to handle hoses, trucks, firefighting apparatus. All that’s needed in front of a hydrant is perhaps two feet maximum, to allow the fattest of the bravest to fit in any which angle he (or she?) chooses to go thru. A hose won’t take up much room. Trust me, Mr. Mayor, I’ve seen those hoses, they don’t take up more than four inches.

    I propose me amend the NYC constitution to allow parking up to one foot each side of the hydrant. And to limit the space occupied by bus stops to one and a half bus lengths. Enough to let a bus in all the way to the curb and allow it to exit. Of course assuming NYC hires competent city bus drivers.

    Honorably Yours,

    Little Forggie

    Parking Place Pursuit Proliferation

    #1197267
    iacisrmma
    Participant

    I should rephrase my response. It would be ok in NYC to park by a hydrant if you follow the rules. One should check the rules of their municipality.

    #1197268
    Health
    Participant

    My OP was based on a picture in Lakewood where s/o blocked a hydrant and the FD had to go around! There were posters (Frum – I assume) that defended the practice. I’ve noticed that in NYC, it’s commonplace in the Frum community’s!

    #1197269
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Obviously the FD needs to step up its tefillah

    #1197270
    yehudayona
    Participant

    What I don’t get is why people stopped at hydrants think it’s better to stop several feet from the curb.

    #1197271
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Maybe some of them hesitated.

    Yatzar hara was like, Do it do it DO IT!!!

    Yatzar tov said, No just find a spot somewhere, keep driving.

    Yatzar Hara: Park here, it’s totally fine!

    And then some cars were coming from behind, so the driver steers to 34 inches from the curb. Right hand shifts gear into park. Yatzar hara hands the driver a beer before exiting.

    #1197272
    huju
    Participant

    Re yehudona’s post: I don’t get it either. Maybe they think that if they are four feet from the curb, they are not “parked” at a fire hydrant.

    #1197273
    Meno
    Participant

    “What I don’t get is why people stopped at hydrants think it’s better to stop several feet from the curb.”

    Also they think it will help to put on their hazards. It really just draws more attention to the fact that they’re parked by a hydrant.

    #1197274
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Also they think it will help to put on their hazards. It really just draws more attention to the fact that they’re parked by a hydrant.”

    for them. But doesn’t it help for the safety of the “oilam”?

    #1197275
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    “Also they think it will help to put on their hazards. It really just draws more attention to the fact that they’re parked by a hydrant. “

    Meno: It does help because hazards at least unofficially signal, “Wait I am not parked, I just had an emergency stop.”

    When I drop someone off at the airport, there is no parking allowed in the Departures strip. I pull to the side, put on my hazards, and then give a hug goodbye and maybe get something out of the trunk.

    The question here is are you talking about people who park, walk away from their vehicles, and leave for hours at a time. Leaving their hazards on?

    Hopefully their batteries still have charge upon return.

    #1197276
    Meno
    Participant

    lilmod ulelamaid,

    How does putting on your hazards contribute to the safety of the “oilam”? You’re still blocking the hydrant.

    lightbrite,

    Do you think there is a better chance that you will get a ticket if you have your hazards on or off?

    I find it unlikely that a cop will see a car parked by a hydrant and not give a ticket just because he has his hazards on, especially considering the fact that most of the time when people do that it’s not actually an emergency.

    And btw, they can give you a ticket for parking by a hydrant, even though you’re right next to your car. Legally you can only stand by a hydrant if you’re sitting in the driver’s seat.

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