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which fast days do you break on wine example Asara B’Teves on a Friday ?
Taanis Esther!!
Big inyan!
Motzei Yom Kippur every year you say Havdalah
Yom Kippur. Tisha Bav when it occurs on Sunday.
I never heard that last one. Aren’t you just yotze with havdala in shmone esre? I don’t remember what they did the last time it happened.
There is one fast that’s broken on wine, and the people who drink the wine don’t even make the brocha themselves.
what about erev pesach- taanis bechoros is that broken by the seder over wine?
ICOT: true, and I witnessed one of those break-fasts last night. Mazal tov to them.
blinky: Besides the Amshinover shlita, do you know of anyone who fasts in our generation? I thought the minhag to rely on a siyum (despite the fact that the Mishneh Berurah did not sound so happy with the heter) was accepted by everyone.
Blinky – I always drink Grape Juice for Kiddush and Havdalah, so it doesn’t matter if I’m fasting, but one year I fasted Erev Pesach and broke it on wine. (I don’t use Grape Juice for Arba Kossos.) This was before the invention of all these weak wines. I don’t recall ever being so sick from wine, like I was that Pesach nite. Since then, I always make sure to get to a siyum Erev Pesach!
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Mazel tov – you got it!
If one must break their fast on Yom Kippur, they first make kiddush.
Lander: That is not Muskam at all in the Poskim. It is definitely the “cooler” Shittah for Yeshivah Bochurim to say over and may even be a majority opinion (it probably isn’t though, Mistimas Divrei HaPoskim), but it’s not Muskam. The story with R’ Yisrael Salanter is brought down either that he did or didn’t make Kiddush, and I heard from a big Talmid Chacham that even if he did, it’s not a Ra’ayah because maybe he did it just to get the people to eat. (There is also apparently some discussion as to whether or not it actually happened, but I’m not so holding in that topic.)
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Lander: That also is generally not accepted. We assume that not being Me’uneh when Shabbos starts is more important.
The original purim followed a day of fasting and it was first decreed as a yom tov, so that would have been a case of a fast broken by saying kiddush. (Lots of possible pirchas)
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