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It is a fact that by the year 2030 , 60 percent of Israeli Jews will be religious due to the high birth rate of religious people
That figure is likely to be increased significantly when we take into account all the olim ( who are mostly religious) , the increasing amount of hozrim btshuvah and the continued yeridah of tens of thousands of secular israelis, mostly from the center of the country who are looking for better job opportunities and more secular environment abroad.
The war in the future won’t be whether to allow stadiums or stores to open on shabbat, it will be more like allowing non emergency vehicles on the road, as most cities will likely have zero access to vehicles on shabbat
Netanyahu better put his kippah on soon…
However the entire Israeli economy, military and legal system are controlled by seculars. More importantly, the “kippah” crowd is almost as antagonistic to the hareidim, and the largest growth is among the hareidim. The important number is the relationship of “kippahs” to secular among the non-hareidi crowd. Also remember that in Israeli elections, goyim can vote at present the goyim support the hilonim.
So don’t hold your breath.
How is a prediction a fact?
Lately I saw a video by the Bible codes person where he found in the codes that zionism will end this year. Also I thought it was fascinating, he said that the Rebbe told Netanyahu that he will pass the sharvit over to Moshiach! Could be sooner than we think…
Achashverosh’ sharvit?
The 60 % religious includes dati-Leumi who are getting closer to the Chilonim (And the Chilonim are getting closer to the Dati-Leumi) but both are going farther away from the Charedim
It was no accident that Yesh Atid and HaBayit Hayehudi were able to be in the government together.
In fact HaBayit Hayehudi the Dati Leumi party is headed by Nafatli Bennet who is not relgious and Ayelet Shaked who is also not relgious
Also in Israel there are Chardal, which somewhat looks like Charedi, but their thinking is more Dati-Leumi meaning they are very religious , but also very zionistic
RoC, when you brought this topic up in July 2016, I cited three studies and copious statistics from several sources including the ICBS that contraindicated your premise. Though a critique from Joseph convinced me to clarify one element of my conclusions (thank you Joseph) there was no material argument or evidence by any of the posters that challenged the facts. You even thanked me for bringing that info into the discussion, to quote you: “You certainly have contributed some quality analysis on this topic you deserve a blessing from the rabbi of crawley!”
So, RoC, what has changed? Is there new evidence that challenges the statistics?
ROC
Have you made aliya yet? or are you currently living in Israel? if the answer is no then please don’t scream until after you make aliya first
If the majority of Jews in Israel are Charedi, then they will have to work and go to the Army. They wont be able to tax the non chreadi enough to pay the stipends and go to the Army
With the very high OTD rates both in boys and girls in israel your predictions are way off because the unfortunately the numbers are growing daily. The OTD epidemic is outgrowing the in coming BT’s
SO, RoC, in the face of factual statistical evidence from multiple sources well beyond the ICBS you present…opinions?
That’s a well reasoned argument.
Now, if you had said, it is my HOPE and BELIEF that Israel will shed its secular character in the near future, I would have no argument with you. I would likely applaud you. But to assert a “fact” and then ignore or dismiss evidence? Maybe its just me, but I have a hard time understanding your confidence.
ROC,
1. Please produce evidence for your contentions. If you do not you will be convicted of hotzaat shem ra and sentenced to obtain forgiveness.
2. Even if you are correct, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
3. I looked up Crawley on Google. It does not seem to be a particularly Jewish community. In fact there is only one “shul”, which is called “Liberal”. Am I correct in presuming that that is the UK version of Reform? If so, how do you justify living there rather than in Israel,
For the seculars to lose control the following would have to happen. One is an end to the war since with the war going on the religious zionists will stay allied with the secular zionists and alienated from the hareidim. One possibility would be for the hareidim to become more involved politically and to propose a solution acceptable to hareidim and religious zionists as well as the Arabs, but not to secular zionists (e.g. Israel becomes an autonomous non-state in a larger Islamic state, Jews can live anywhere in Eretz Yisrael, Israel agrees that its laws will differ from Islamic law only when halacha differs from Islamic law, Arabic replaces English as the de facto second language). However as long as there is war going on, the alliance of the secular Jews with the religious zionists will continue.
RoC is the Chabad shliach for Crawley.
ROC , don’t blame the cheradim of USA for not moving to isreal.
If the cheradim leadership will move first then the followers will follow them.
But as long as the leadership stays put
The followers will stick here like glue.Non-religious or sinning (to whatever extent) Jews are not “fake.”
(Also, I doubt the Israeli authorities would approve more than a
certain number of people immigrating within a certain time period.)With the very high OTD rates both in boys and girls in israel your predictions are way off because the unfortunately the numbers are growing daily. The OTD epidemic is outgrowing the in coming BT’s..
It’s not a fact it’s assuming that current trends will continue until there are no more secular Jews. Maybe the growth rate will slow? Who knows what will be in the future? How about trends like people keeping “half Shabbos”? Who knows what changes will come in the future? Social change, tech changes, war, politics.
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