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  • #600915
    Jothar
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    There are many who are blasting the Brooklyn DA for extraditing the Shemira member. I don’t see what the big deal is. If you do the crime, you do the time. Why should we get away with violence any more than gentiles?

    #831328
    popa_bar_abba
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    Tell us more.

    #831329
    Jothar
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    Story is on competing websites, stolen from the daily news:

    Jewish leaders are blasting Brooklyn prosecutors who areworking with Israeli officials to extradite a Crown Heights Hasid charged with a hate crime back to New York.

    Top rabbis, community heads, and Assemblyman Dov Hikind (D-Borough Park), posted letters on freeyitzi.org supporting Yitzhak Shuchat, 28, – wanted in the April 2008 assault of Andrew Charles the son of a black NYPD cop.

    Earlier this month, the Israeli court ordered Shuchat to return to Brooklyn after he fled to a suburb outside Tel Aviv where he was leaving freely for three years.

    In November 2011, the Daily News reported that Shuchat had moved to Israel with his wife and children despite a warrant out for his arrest. Israel then announced plans to ship Shuchat back to the States.

    Prosecutors said Shuchat, who was a member of the Shmira Jewish safety patrol at the time, jumped out of a van beating Charles with a club.

    Hikind said Shuchat was responding to the call of a Jewish woman being attacked, spotted Charles, prompting the fight.

    Adams said he is also questioning why the fight is being called a hate crime, a decision that could fuel another battle between blacks and Hasidic Jews.

    #831330
    popa_bar_abba
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    I guess I dunno nothing about the case, and maybe he is justified in running away.

    But it sure doesn’t help our cause to have our political leaders telling New York State not to enforce its laws.

    #831331
    Jothar
    Member

    I was listening to nachum segal this morning. Hynes was on the radio. He said somebody forged Zack Tamir’s signature to say he was against the extradition. Hynes called Zack, who told him it wasn’t his signature. This kind of shenanigans don’t help either.

    #831332
    2scents
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    Dont really get the whole story, However I see that it does not pay to get in trouble. So i will way stay out of it..

    #831333
    BrainwasheD
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    This is a clear chillul Hashem. Dina demalchusa dina. We’re still in galus.

    #831334
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    His father is a cop. It’s pretty obvious that this was spun. In many of these trials you have to prove your innocence, much like in the old days in the old countries, knows as Der Heim.

    #831335
    Bowwow
    Participant

    We have to abide by the laws of the land. The goyim think that we can get away with anything because we can run off to Israel and be protected there.

    #831337
    oot for life
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    This is a very very slippery slope. If you look at prominent cases of the day, Rubashkin and Pollard, they too committed a crime according to the laws of the land. However the kehilla is up in arms because we believe that they are getting too harsh penalties because they are Jewish. We cannot stand pat, or we will surely be reliving history. But at the same time to try to act as if we are above the law only brings more (if there were such a thing, perhaps more open) antisemitism upon us. Hashem Yishmor

    #831338
    BTGuy
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    Hi Jothar.

    I dont know about this situation or trust any one source in the media, and I know there is always more to the picture than anyone will ever know, but in regards to your general questions, Jews are certainly not above the law.

    Still, I am not the one who is going to cheer on law enforcement (except for what happened in Bklyn this past summer) when they are in pursuit of a Jew. There are enough of the other people to do that.

    #831339
    Jothar
    Member

    oot for life, the slippery slope goes the other way as well. If we defend every guilty person, then when we have a real case of Anti-Semitism, it will get brushed off as “The Jews are defending the guilty again”. It used to be the Agudah stood for defending the rights of innocents. Now, our causes are about guilty people and trying to get them to beat the rap. NOT the way to get law enforcement on your side.

    #831340
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    I think that fighting the extradition is indeed not such a good idea. That does give the idea that we are fighting the law inforcement. However, working within the system should not be a problem. Raising money for legal means of fighting for a just cause, should have nothing to do with being above the law.

    In this case, I really don’t believe it was a hate crime. I don’t think anyone here believes that. We can focus on fighting his case in America, in court.

    Just a side point: I don’t like the way some people cast aside honest people as guilty. Does a very biased jury and judge make your decisions? You are talking about someone who borrowed more than the law would allow. That’s all. He is charged with one complaint, which were turned into 89 counts. He didn’t rob, he didn’t cheat — not fellow man, not the government and not the bank.

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