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October 12, 2011 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #599936amusedParticipant
When do you need to make eruv tavshilin? How do you make it? Who can make it? Who is yoztei by me making it? When can it be made? What do you do with it? Why is it needed? What if you forget?
October 12, 2011 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1196599yitayningwutParticipant1) Before any Yom Tov that comes out before Shabbos.
2) Set aside a cooked item, like an egg, and a baked item, like a roll, make the bracha and say the declaration you can find in the siddur.
3) The head of the household or his assignee.
4) Everyone who eats in your house.
5) Before Yom Tov begins.
6) You can just leave it aside, no need to eat it. But if you want you may eat it on Shabbos.
7) In order that you should be able to prepare for Shabbos while it’s still Yom Tov.
8) If you live in a community with a rabbi, then don’t worry. He makes an eruv for everybody which you may rely on if you forgot, were stuck and weren’t able to, don’t have any idea how to make an eruv, or lost your eruv.
If not-
If you remember on the first day: Since technically we are keeping two days of Yom Tov because we aren’t sure which is the right day, what you do is you make the eruv with a condition – before you make the declaration say “if today is Yom Tov, then I don’t need an eruv, but if tommorow is Yom Tov [then in truth I’m allowed to make an eruv today, and], then this should be my eruv.” Then continue with the declaration.
If you remember on the second day: You cannot make an eruv anymore. But you need to prepare for Shabbos, so what do you do? If you’re able to, just cook extra of whatever you are cooking for the Yom Tov meal, and leave it on the fire for Shabbos. If you won’t be comfortable with that or it won’t be enough, then you can cook whatever you want as long as you make sure to eat a bit of everything before Yom Tov (and the same idea would apply to any other preparations, i.e. carrying something somewhere). This way you can say it’s technically preparing for Yom Tov. It is a loophole, but completely valid, and in halacha we regard the mitzva of enjoying oneself on Shabbos worth finding loopholes to uphold, and that’s not even taking into account other important considerations, such as shalom bayis.
October 16, 2011 4:11 am at 4:11 am #1196600Dr. SeussMember8) If you live in a community with a rabbi, then don’t worry. He makes an eruv for everybody which you may rely on if you forgot, were stuck and weren’t able to, don’t have any idea how to make an eruv, or lost your eruv.
So why not forget the whole thing, and just be someach on the rov?
October 16, 2011 4:34 am at 4:34 am #1196601Sam2ParticipantDr. Seuss: The Gemara says that relying on the Rav only works once (there is a discussion if it’s once in a lifetime or just once in a row). It also only works if you forgot by accident.
October 16, 2011 4:40 am at 4:40 am #1196602Dr. SeussMemberSam: It only works once if he specifically relies on the rov on purpose? Or it only works once even by mistake? i.e. if he forgot or was an onus and couldn’t make it twice in a row, the second time the Rov’s doesn’t work for him?
October 16, 2011 4:46 am at 4:46 am #1196603Sam2ParticipantIf he specifically relies it never works (unless he is specifically relying because he couldn’t). If he forgets or gets too busy twice (maybe in a row, maybe ever) then it doesn’t work the second time. I feel like if it’s Mamash and Ones Gamur and happens twice then he should be able to rely on the Rabbi. I have no source for that last statement but it makes sense.
October 16, 2011 4:48 am at 4:48 am #1196604brotherofursParticipanthmm our bread got moldy , were we allowed to not eat it?
October 16, 2011 4:50 am at 4:50 am #1196605Sam2ParticipantAllowed to not eat it? There is no obligation to eat the Eruv Tavshilin.
October 16, 2011 7:23 am at 7:23 am #1196606ToiParticipantif your in ey and youre keeping two days then the t’nai eitzah above should be done on 2nd day Y”T.
September 24, 2014 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1196607☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantbump
September 24, 2014 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1196608screwdriverdelightParticipantI don’t think you can make a t’nai on rosh hashanah, because it’t kedusha arichta.
Also, you only make it if you’re planning to cook, not for ‘hachana’.
September 24, 2014 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1196609☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI don’t think you can make a t’nai on rosh hashanah, because it’t kedusha arichta.
Correct.
Also, you only make it if you’re planning to cook, not for ‘hachana’.
It’s still required, but you would not say a brochoh unless you’re planning to cook.
October 8, 2014 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1196610☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantbump
October 8, 2014 2:26 pm at 2:26 pm #1196611ChortkovParticipantI happened to be discussing this issue just last night; what is the difference between first and second time @ the rav? Sounds from you like it is a knas. Is there a mekor for that?
October 8, 2014 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1196612☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant??”? ??????? ???”? ?
October 15, 2014 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1196613☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantbump
April 9, 2015 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #1196614screwdriverdelightParticipantI Beat DY to it.
April 9, 2015 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #1196615☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThanks for the eruv tavshilin reminder reminder.
April 12, 2015 2:46 am at 2:46 am #1196616147ParticipantI didn’t require a reminder from you DaasYochid to eat up my Eruv today. When it comes to eating, I simply don’t forget to eat.
Furthermore, I am pleased to mention that I have never forgotten to make an Eruv Tavshilin, when required to do so. Just like I didn’t forget to make a Seder last week.
April 12, 2015 2:48 am at 2:48 am #1196617☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSee, the reminders worked!
April 12, 2015 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1196618147ParticipantThe reminder from DaasYochid had nothing to do with my remembering to eat my Eruv today, because I was unable to look at the coffee room for a reminder this morning, as I was complying with the 4th commandment.
April 12, 2015 3:43 am at 3:43 am #1196619ubiquitinParticipant147
Has it ever struck you as strange that there is rabbinic literature what to do if one forgot tot make an eruv( relying on he Rav, Making on first day Yom Tov with a Tenai) Yet there is nothing about forgetting a seder.
Do you really think they are same?
April 12, 2015 3:47 am at 3:47 am #1196620☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo, 147, I mean that you remembered to make your seder.
🙂
April 12, 2015 4:13 am at 4:13 am #1196621147ParticipantMaking on first day Yom Tov with a Tenai ubiquitin is simply not a back up option when Shevi’i Shel Pesach is on Friday, as happened 2 days ago, and as is transpiring now 4 out of 5 years running.
April 12, 2015 11:58 am at 11:58 am #1196622ubiquitinParticipant147
All the more reason why reminders are important.
December 4, 2016 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #1196623☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDon’t forget to make eruv tavshilin.
(Or was it something else you’re not supposed to forget?)
December 4, 2016 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #1196624Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantok, I finally “chapped”.
December 5, 2016 12:21 am at 12:21 am #1196625iacisrmmaParticipantAnother untimely bump. What shaychis does this have in Chodesh Kislaiv?
December 5, 2016 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1196626☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThen maybe it was something else.
September 20, 2017 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1367736☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBump
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