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    BoruchSchwartz
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    They know how to daven properly

    #1144776
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Is that the byline on their website?

    #1144777
    WIY
    Member

    Yup.

    #1144778
    dafyomi2711
    Member

    If all Klal Yisroel would daven the way you are supposed to I am convinced Mosiach will come!

    #1144779
    BoruchSchwartz
    Participant

    so then let’s pack all jews into emunas yisroel

    #1144780
    dafyomi2711
    Member

    halevi amen

    #1144781
    WIY
    Member

    Boruch

    Thats silly, rather every shul and kehilla should remain where they are and should just daven the same way that emunas davens.

    #1144782

    I also know how to daven properly. I just don’t seem…

    #1144783
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Does properly = long?

    #1144784
    Logician
    Participant

    They’re at least closely related.

    #1144785
    BoruchSchwartz
    Participant

    @ Torah613

    yes

    #1144786
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    So, the longer the properlier? Tefilla is not necessarily a Mussar Seder. The Maharal, in Nesiv Ha’avoda Perek 6 has this to say on this topic:

    ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????:

    #1144787
    Logician
    Participant

    Saying that length is related to being proper does not mean the longer the better.

    How long is too long ? If I showed you that in Halacha a half hour is considered normal/average for weekday pesuka d’zimra, what would you say ?

    #1144788
    funnybone
    Participant

    I’m okay with a discussion about davening…I’m uncomfortable that this thread is discussing a particular shul.

    #1144789
    Logician
    Participant

    What’s wrong with praising the davening in a particular shul ?

    And if you’re problem is with the hilchos lashon hora pertaining to discussing individual people/places/etc because you’re inviting negative comments as well, well then you’ve shut down a large percentage of the threads here.

    #1144790
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    It’s one thing to point out a Maaleh that you like, or that you think someone or someplace excells in. It is quite another to say that this is the place that Davens appropriately. Many other Kehilos’ Minhagim were established by leading Gedolim and by Baalei Ruach Hakodesh. Some of them purposely did not want the Tefilla to be stretched, as the Maharal explained.

    Some give from their mind, some from their hearts, some from their attitudes, and some from their time.

    #1144791
    Logician
    Participant

    Did you see in the OP that other places are doing something wrong ? Just something special there.

    No question about it, for the average person (who don’t know from no maharal), davening longer than regular shows one thing, just like davening shorter than average usually means something else.

    #1144792
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    For the OP I wrote my first comment. The attitude that grew from that is what bothered FunnyBone, and is what I came to diffuse. Your second point is valid.

    #1144793
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    HaLeivi: The maharal you cite was talking about two negative side affects of kavana and specifies at the end that he is not talking about someone being ???? ???????. In other words, he isn’t saying not to daven b’arichus, he’s telling us how to do so. Of course no one paskens from the nesivos olam and plenty of sects (dor shvi’i lubavitch for one) make a point of davening relatively quickly.

    #1144794
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    No. He is actually talking about the positive type of Maarich Betifilaso.

    #1144795
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I didn’t daven in Emunas Yisroel today.

    #1144796
    YesOrNo
    Participant

    I didn’t either…it was out of the Tchum.

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