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haredim spitting and throwing sewage at w4w.
fat chasid falsely imprisons random biker.
clean it up people, you’re embarrassing the rest of us.
more often than not, I wish you would just stop calling yourselves Jews.
This is not going to go anywhere good.
It was a mistake calling that rally
If they want to stop the W4W leave them alone, ignore them. Agree to let them go to some corner of the Kotel area where barely anyone sees them. By spittling and throwing things at them, they turned a Kiddish Hashem into a massive Chilul Hashem.
If you ignore them eventually they will get tired and bored and proceed to something else
Would one be embarrassed by association with one who calls himself a Jew and yet on top of saying all sorts of things, publicly professes to know better than R Aron Leib Shteinman?
Given that a few people (In the 10’s) acted inapproprately at the event. Whatever kiddish Hashem might have might come out the event was totally lost, Spolied by a few .
It only takes a few bad apples to ruin the lot.
Brony – I personally agree with Zdad approach, but just because some people do those things -it doesn’t embarrass me. The only thing that Jews should be embarrassed about is that the Zionists have turned the Kosel into a tourist attraction -where some women come without proper dress and some put on Tallis and Tefillin, etc.
And it’s a shame that the modern Jews don’t even realize what the true embarrassment is!
One should be embarrassed that those agitarors embarrassed a Gadol.
The sikrikim who threw stuff did not come because of rav shteinman’s call. They came because of the women. They would’ve been there with or without Rav Shteiman’s followers. All of whom behaved, BTW.
Zdad -“One should be embarrassed that those agitarors embarrassed a Gadol.”
They did Not embarrass any Godol because their actions did Not represent any Godol.
Brony: You are clearly only looking to antagonize. Would you say a nom-jew who happened to show up at that time to take poctures was also a follower of Rav Steinman?
The call of Rav Steinman and Rav Chaim was to come to the kosel to daven and say tehillim. Those that went to the kosel and davened and said tehillim followed the directive of Rav Steinman. Those that went and threw rocks did not follow his directive. Maybe in other areas they do follow his directives, anything is possible (although I suspect that if true , it is only when it suits their desire). But at least in this regard they were not “his followers” ie. someone who follows his directives.
Nishdaygeshaft’s post is completely understandable. He is saying that a person should feel embarrased to be associated with someone who espouses views that suggest his own superior understanding to Rav Steinman. he is using irony and sarcasm to embellish his point. Maybe your inability to understand his post is not because of a lack in his skill in expression.
W4W are the good guys, i think you meant to write WoW…..
Brony,
I tried not to name names.
However, there are many more individuals whom you should rightfully embarrassed of who call themselves Jews.
I can think of some who make foolish statements and follow those comments up with a statement indicating that they know better than R A L Shteiman.
I am embarrassed that such foolish people identify themselves as Jewish
I am embarrassed that the WoW are identified as Jewish.
I am embarrassed that the cynical “Jewish” bloggers are identified as Jewish and as pundits as well.
I am embarrassed of a MK who calls himself ???? yet he joins with a party which has as its goal destruction of living ?? ????? ???????. Just like Weiss joining with Achmadinejad. It is the same type of oxymoronic behavior. And yet there a those on these board who laud such a position.
I tried to comment in a ?????? ???? manner. Apparently you are not from the ??????. Nu. That too can be embarrassing.
nisht: Basically, you’re embarrassed of people who disagree with you.
Brony is saying the same thing.
However much that may not suit you, the same free speech laws that allow you to condemn these “pundits” allows them to say whatever they please- and being frustrated that anyone identifies as Jewish is flabbergasting. Better that they should leave and fall off the Jewish radar? We can choose our friends, but we can’t choose our siblings- and these people are all acheinu beis Yisrael.
Maybe I should be embarrassed of people like you. I have the same right as you and Brony.
Brony,
“no, your post made no sense grammatically”
Well said.
I am having fantasies about Weiss?
Here is a quote;
“Weiss stated that Ahmadinejad is not an enemy of the Jews, but is a “God-fearing man [who] respects the Jewish people and he protects them in Iran”.[14]” From a quick google search. Pictures have been posted on YWN in the past.
Fantasizing? Me?
“as for the other point above: if you understood the concept of constructive intent, you would know that simply saying “go and daven” always results in more than just davening. anyone who defended their behavior by invoking r’ shteinman should be considered a follower, and until it can be reasonably assured that no such behavior will result from his words, r’ shteinman should not give such directives.”
Would you care to break this down into logical sentences? I would think you could. You consider yourself on comma splices and the like.
Writer,
No, I did not say I am embarrased of anyone not like me, or who does not think like me. I am embarrased by those whose writing or actions damage other jews.
Either by causing actual damage, as have some of the aforementioned bloggers, or creeating a damaging perception of Jews, which includes the others I have listed.
Its because of some of the mean spirited comments here that i wish we had the ability to mute posters who do nothing but attack and create conflict.
“One should be embarrassed that those agitarors embarrassed a Gadol.”
It would be nice if the Gedol would say something about this.
Brony,
The claim of the bloggers about transparency is load of hogwash.
As far as R AL Shteinman, I guarantee that the people wilding did not come because of R AL. As far as I know, his call was to women and girls. Which probably was precisely for that reason. They were not at all involved in the fracas.
Your moshol is really not on point. I
nisht: Okay, makes sense, kind of, though it was REALLY not clear in your original post. However, you must admit that the WoW fiasco is publicized much, much more than anything Eliyahu Fink writes.
If you’re talking about being embarrassed about the way the goyim see charedi Jews, it’s different than what you seem to be saying, that you’re embarrassed of how there are frum Jews who don’t act in the way that you think frum Jews should act. After all, Lipman and Piron are probably making the Orthodox community look great- look, I’m Orthodox and I’m reforming the antiquated school system! Not like those loonies. And the bloggers are probably seen as muckrakers, and the WoW as trailblazers in women’s rights in the Orthodox community. From a PR perspective, it’s the charedim who are completely ruining their collective image.
Remember, Orthodox doesn’t mean litvish, chassidish, or whatever. I’m sure MO people are just as annoyed at being asked by people, “Oh, you’re Orthodox, right? Like those hassids who threw chairs at the women’s lib people?” as you are by people saying, “Oh, you’re Orthodox, just like those blog dudes?”
“I’m sure MO people are just as annoyed “
I’m MO and I’m annoyed.
I don’t think anyone should be embarrassed of their behavior. Feel bad for them that they’re so far away and daven that they come back to their senses.
Gedolim dont read the newspaper , Watch it on TV or listen to it on the Radio. They get their news from kanoim.
I doubt any Kanoi would have told the R’Y what happend with the Sikirim.
Brony: Every month there are 500 people at the Kosel when WOW show up. There are 10-15 idiots. This month, due to Rav Shteinman’s call, there are 5000 people at the Kosel when WOW showed up. There are the same dozen crazies. I think it is fair to infer that the additional crowd was peaceful, and the nuts were the same as the ones there every month.
Anytime there is a protest and crazies show up, its alwsays the crazies who steal the show. It is the job of the organizers to keep the crazies in check otherwise what message the protest has will be lost.
Brony, they are Jews.
Being Jewish does not give someone immunity from middos problems. We are luckier and more obliged to be better because we have the Torah.
In fact, I have heard it said by a phenomenally great rabbi that yidden are the fiercest nation on earth, but it is to be tempered by Torah.
You would think if someone looked and acted the part that it would be enough. Well, they (all of us) have to dig deeper at times.
Nobody that you’d trust, so why bother.
News reports on this site and others. Friends and relatives who were there. But they’re all chareidim. So if they’d assault he women they’d probably lie about the numbers too.
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