Election Fraud

RW -“Harris saying riots won’t end after election”

She’s right.
I didn’t see any news coverage about Portland’s destruction on Dem’s Buildings. (Besides one.)
The Fact there is something called Antifa, no matter What Biden claims.
Not only will Riots Increase, but so will Crime!
This is because the DemonCrats have made this Country a Perfect Place for Anarchy!

Its OVER.
Sheldon Adelson’s newspaper in Nevada (Las Vegas Review), one of the most pro-Trump in the country, just published an editorial telling Trump to stop making baseless assertions about election fraud and acknowledge that Biden won.
“Trump’s continued claims of pervasive voter fraud “does a disservice to his more rabid supporters” because the idea is “simply false.”
I think it may take another few days for other Republican heavyweights to realize this circus has gone on for too long and is going to hurt the country. Biden is smart to not push the issue for now and simply move on as best he can with transition planning.

“If someone voted absentee for Biden but decided to change his vote (it was the most googled question up until the election) and decided to vote for Trump in person, his vote would be counted twice and cancel each other out because as usual with government bureaucracy the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing ”
When you appear in person to vote, they have a record if you had a Vote by Mail ballot and if it was sent in. If you don’t produce your Vote by Mail ballot, you will be required to vote Provisionally.

If the election officials say there was little or no fraud – as they have all done – then the election officials are deemed corrupt. If the Judges reject the ‘evidence’, then the Judges are corrupt. With this mindset it never ends.

“But I really do not get why the Dems are all in a tizzy. If all the lawsuits are so meritless. Then let Trump run out the process. Whats the big deal?”
Thank you for your more balanced and rational post. Though I’m not a democrat, the big deal among many of us is that it’s bad sportsmanship to sue on such frivolous claims. Only we’re not talking sports, here. We’re talking about the Unites States of America, the most powerful and influential nation on earth. This weakens us. Not only is the whole world laughing at our decline, but for well over 200 years we’ve respected the ‘will of the people,’ (though debatable if we’ve achieved that, that’s always been the stated goal) and have a long tradition of valuing stability. What he is doing destabilizaes us. His biggest fans trust everything he says as truth, and would still buy Trump’s claims of corruption over 100s of judges accross the nation. This irrationally drives Americans even further away from each other and from the values our country was founded on. You have to be a man to lessen the ego for the good of the country he is supposed to be serving.

“At this point anyone supporting Trump here hates Democracy.”

That is absolutely false. Sheker, not emes.

ENS: False. The Democrats spent FOUR YEARS undermining democracy by falsely claiming the Russians elected Trump, rather than Trump won fair and square.

What goes around, comes around. Eat what you sow.

ujm – you are on record here advocating for an anti-democratic use of constitutional power to throw the election to trump simply because it can be done under the literal reading of the constitution (in mark levin’s reading of the constitution). So in the final analysis, ENS is correct: be honest and acknowledge that you want an authoritarian regime.

Further, Hillary Clinton never claimed that Trump did not legally hold the office of the president or that legal actions he took as president would be illegitimate. She did not claim russia hacked the vote counting machines or that the election itself was illegitimate. Whatever people have in their heads when they vote is their business; there is a long history of propaganda and disinformation in presidential campaigns, but in the end it’s up to the campaigns to make their cases and then people vote using whatever criteria they want to use.

The question of legitimacy in 2016 had to do with democratic norms and whether the trump campaign accepted or colluded with foreign powers. Had the Russia investigation concluded that there was actual collusion, there may have been grounds for impeachment, but no one ever said collusion would void the 2016 election. Trump’s legal legitimacy was never questioned. Hillary Clinton never claimed she was rightful president. She conceded as soon as the results were clear. So stop with the false equivalencies.

What’s going on now is either trump trying to maneuver the country into a serious constitutional crisis, or far more likely, he’s a wimp who cannot admit defeat so he’s just lashing out without a strategy, or even more likely than that, it’s a huge con to fire up the trump zombies to get them to pay for his campaign debts and legal fees. Trump has every right to ask for every vote to be counted, to ask for a recount where allowed by law, and to ask for the minor voting irregularities to be looked into, but he does not have a right to claim widespread fraud without any proof. Whatever the motivation, it will have a long lasting affect on democracy and will serve to delegitimize actions taken by biden in eyes of those trump supporters who cannot separate fact from fiction.

@Syag – wow! another insult from you, this time directed towards me, where you offer nothing of substance beyond your insult. Seems like a middah of Trump. Just insult, lie, and slander and when the basis for everything he says is examined it is false.

Congrats. You showed me.

@ujm – So to be clear when you say “eat what you sow”, you mean you don’t care about Democracy. Because not sure how else that is intended.

Also I have to wonder…. The Republican led Senate issued a massive report that concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Trump said he did not read the report (not surprising). That report and the FBI investigation into Russian interference led to actions to reduce Russian interference in the 2020 election. So rather than undermine democracy it helped make it stronger.

So the Republicans concluded that Russia was a threat to independent US elections and yet you, say this is a Democrat claim as if to suggest this is one-sided.

Maybe actually go get facts rather than repeating whatever Donald Trump, Hannity, or Carlson told you.

Breaking News: Techiyas Hamaysim NOT. Two of the four “deceased” voters who Trump’s lawyers claimed in sworn affidavits had “returned” and voted in the Georgia elections came forward in the past 48 hours and filed court papers claiming that they were NOT niftar. One, in fact, was an elderly woman cited by Tucker Carlson on Fox but had to “correct” himself (I give him credit for that) after it was revealed she voted as “Mrs. Yankel Gavornlik” (which is how she is registered). Poor yankel was niftar but she wasn’t . Another great example of intensive legal due diligence by Trumps legal geniuses led by Crazy Rudy. (Note: Names were changed here for effect).

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 not just holier than thou, but sanctimoniously so! Just because i don’t read or watch or listen to secular/non jewish media and push for honesty! Well if being holy is that easy, boy is it my lucky day.

Im still trying to figure out your former screenname. I can’t believe you just showed up out of nowhere to troll my posts. I mean there are so many more exciting, knowledgeable and abrasive posters to throw daggers at than me.

Sleep well

“In Pennsylvania, the ballots themselves are in two envelopes. So to change the date on the ballot the postal worker would have to open the envelopes (a federal crime punishable by 15-20 years in prison), change the date, and reseal them in two new envelopes while copying the voter’s signature. ”

Correct. There was a much easier way for postal workers to skew the election — by not delivering the ballots. And this happened. 1/3 in Philadelphia and 1/5 in Detroit. Biden’s margin in each state would increase by over 100,000 votes had all the legally cast votes been counted. But apparently Trump’s cult members don’t care about fair elections; they just want their guy to continue in office illegally.

@Syag – see you just keep at it. Never a substantive comment from you. Just insults and being sanctimonious. Oh, if you cared about honesty, you would actually go seek out viewpoints that don’t align with yours otherwise you are just living in your own echo chamber. Keep it up. Maybe some more smileys. With Trump losing your comments have increasingly been unhinged. Maybe I should feel bad for you.

@Health – Richard Hopkins when questioned admitted he has no knowledge of any fraud. He heard a part of a sentence and assumed a lot. I really don’t care what he then says on social media when there is no legal consequence. I grow tired of you repeating lies and conspiracy. You have evidence or legal arguments show it.

Until then, Joe Biden is President-elect.

Not so hard to comprehend.

ENS -“Health – Richard Hopkins when questioned admitted he has no knowledge of any fraud. He heard a part of a sentence and assumed a lot. I really don’t care what he then says on social media when there is no legal consequence. I grow tired of you repeating lies and conspiracy. You have evidence or legal arguments show it.”

That’s the Spin here & in the Media.
This actually happened in Detroit.
Stop with the Liberal Lies!

@Health – read the Jesse Jacobs affidavit and it does not make the claims you claim it makes.

You said the worker was told to backdate ballots that came in late. This is a very specific claim that if true would be troubling.

What the affidavit says (easy to find online), and all it says about this, is that on Nov 4 she (he?) was told to input Nov 3 as the receive date for ballots that were not in the QVF.

This is important, because testimony has to be very specific as otherwise you can say one thing and imply something else. Note, Jesse does not say that ballots that came in late were backdated, what Jesses says is that ballots not in the QVF were dated to Nov 3.

Nowhere in the affidavit does it state that those ballots came in after Nov 3. Seems to me, someone created an affidavit that attempted to stick to factual statements (because it is a crime to lie in an affidavit) but it was done in an way to imply something illegal happened when in fact the affidavit never makes such a claim.

Like has been said, easy to make claims on social media another to swear before a judge and make those claims.

Let us know when you find your evidence or come up with valid legal arguments. Until then Joe Biden is president-elect.

I was already tired of your lies and conspiracy, and you have not made a better case yet.

@turahvaluesoverparty – well then you just made a great argument for why Trump was guilty of all the crimes he has been accused of. He obstructed and the GOP did their best to stop investigations into him. That shows anyone that he must be guilty. Also he refused to show his tax return, which further shows he is guilty.

Btw, in Georgia they are doing a full hand count of the vote, and guess what… That’s right, Trump realized the audit there was not going his way, so now on to the next reason why elections that he loses should not count.

@Syag – In all this talk about Biden and Trump, never once do I recall you ever contributing with a substantive argument. Instead it is all holier than thou, statements that are intended to insult the person you direct it against. I welcome you actually joining the conversation and adding something of substance, but I suspect that when you get beneath the fragile exterior there is little holding up the insides and not much to offer. Maybe tone done the gaivah a bit and actually discuss issues and dare I say, accept the possibility you may very well be wrong.

Oh, and i especially would like some samples of what you have labeled gaava (five times). Please include one of those as well.

There needs to be a hand count in a sample of counties in every contested state.

There needs to be an investigation into who ordered the destruction of the envelopes and why. Is this standard? Was this unusual?

There needs to be a forensic investigation into the vote counting machines to see how they subject they are to manipulation.

Every affidavit alleging fraud needs to be investigated.

Huge cash rewards plus immunity need to be granted anyone with first hand knowledge of fraudulent election activity willing to come forward.

The American people and the world need confidence in this election.

ENS -“You said the worker was told to backdate ballots that came in late. This is a very specific claim that if true would be troubling.
What the affidavit says (easy to find online), and all it says about this, is that on Nov 4 she (he?) was told to input Nov 3 as the receive date for ballots that were not in the QVF.”

I investigated it:
“The unidentified postal worker said that he is speaking out because the entire process carried out by USPS workers is “shady”. “As far as I am aware, we’re not supposed to be counting ballots that are postmarked after the third of November here in the state of Michigan.”
There are 16 Electoral College votes at stake in Michigan with the presidential election still up for grabs. The whistleblower said many employees were upset that they were ordered to isolate the ballots.
The Insider said he was shocked when Barlow Branch morning supervisor Jonathan Clarke told a group of mail carriers how late ballots would be handled”

The Law in MI is it must be in the hands of the Election Workers to count.
So this is how they Purportrated the Fraud. When they investigated this – e/o said that’s the way it works. See line above.
What they did is physically brought the Votes into the election offices so it should be counted.
Really if they wouldn’t have seporated the Votes, these Voted Would Never be Counted because it wouldn’t be in the Election workers Hands!
All this Fraud was Instituted Months before the Election from the Biden Campaign.
This Election was the End of Our Democracy!

So the Trumpkopf just tweeted that most of the dozen or so losing lawsuits that had been filed thusfar seeking to invalidate the results, block certification of Biden wins etc. (and thrown out or rejected by federal and state courts) “WERE NOT OURS”. Instead, he now says that the world’s greatest litigator, Crazy Rudy (aka Guiliani) will “soon” begin filing their cases and the Courts will then reverse the Biden win as unconstitutional and declare the Trumpkopf as the winner. In his interview today on Fox News, Crazy Rudy insisted he could not disclose his secret evidence that will be filed this week and reverse the outcome in all the key states. Stay tuned!!

GH -“Its over in Pennsylvania.”

Yes it is.
The Lying Libs won’t have a Chance.
Btw, since when are you a reporter for the WP or Other Lib Papers?!?

From Guilani’s Twitter – Just NOW:
“Do not use the law firm of Swaine & Viebeck.
They are the WAPO activists who falsely wrote that we changed our case in PA.
They didn’t read para 132-150 which repeat all the allegations of the 680,777 mail in votes which were deliberately concealed from Republican inspectors.
Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
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The only thing that would have surprised me is if Philly didn’t cheat on a big scale in the 2020 election.
It would have been the first time they missed such an opportunity in 60 years.
Wake up to reality”

@Honest to follow-up to my prior comment (not published yet) on Nov 13 the court addressed the Jesse Jones affidavit and explains why the allegations are garbage. In that case the request for injunctive relief was tossed out. So go on, keep on posting nonsense, it is reflecting poorly on you at this point.

The American people, the world, demands a hand recount in all crucial battleground counties. We need to have confidence in the election.

Not Jesse Jones, the name is Jesse Jacobs. Mixed up the name, but should have been clear as that was the case in MI and I mentioned the name previously.

Everything else stands.

As this is so difficult for you, as you just keep on repeating Trump’s rhetoric (which the style of he gets from Mein Kampf), Joe Biden is president-elect. You want to dispute that, show the evidence or legal arguments. So far you have shown zero.