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What is the issur of fressing on the street?
And is eating in a restaurant in front of an see-in glass window to the street the same?
I believe, and I could be wrong. The isser is eating while walking (in the shuk) because it is the derech of dogs to eat that way. As benei hamelech we hold ourselves to a higher standard. I believe it mentions it in brachos, but I don’t know the exact source.
Since it’s walking, I think sitting in a restaurant even if the tables are mamash outside onto the sidewalk would be ok.
Rabbi Miller Zatzal once said if you see someone eating in the street, tell him to go to a tree and pick up his hind legs…
The gemara says one who eats on the street is compared to a dog (doimeh L’kelev). i.e. it is not a morally correct place to eat. Outside is a place where dogs eat. If one wants to eat something, you sit by a table make a brocho, and eat. Ideally, we can’t view eating as stam an act we enjoy and don’t put any thought into it. Rather, the way a yid supposed to eat, is he must think (as always, BEFORE doing ANY action)that he is eating this delicious food Hashem provided him, and hopes to be strengthened by it and be healthy, in order to continue to serve Him. Eating is an Avodah, it’s another way we can serve Hashem when done properly. A dog eats out of instict. He smells food, runs and eats. Indoors, outdoors, anywhere. For a yid eating in the street is not a place to eat (i.e. difficult place to concentrate on eating Lishmah)
This is what I was thinking. Does it sound right?
Was there something wrong with my post???
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I always wondered…are things like gum/water included in this issur?
OneOfMany –
No, they aren’t.
In Masechta Kallah it says specifically that it only refers to bread, or when eating in a gluttonous fashion. Here is the link to the source (I hope it doesn’t get deleted this time):http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37970&st=&pgnum=680. It’s on the bottom of the first column.
Rabbeinu Tam in Kiddushin (40b) says something similar, that it is referring to eating bread, which Tosafos explains as a meal. See the end of the bottom Tosafos here: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=20&daf=40b&format=pdf (according to the other opinion in Tosafos, this whole halacha doesn’t really apply the way we are understanding it here).
So it ONLY applies to bread? You can eat ANYTHING else?
By the way, thanks for the sources…
OneOfMany – I mentioned another qualification, “gluttonous” eating. I think that part is dependent on social norms. So gum and water yes, maybe a bag of chips too, or a snack on the bus, etc. etc., but not a bucket of fried chicken on your way to the bus stop.
oneofmany
since it seems to me that you are accepting upon yourself, based on information in this thread, that it is ok to eat things other than bread in the street, as long as its not gluttonous…
i strongly suggest you ask a Posek first
this is not at all how i understand the Halacha.
i dont have any sources for you
The restaurant is not in the street. It might face the street and be visible to the street but it is not in the street, and it is completely normal to eat there.
80 – Ask Popa, ha ha.
I’m not really accepting anything…I’m just curious. I DO drink water in the street, and I wondered if there was anything wrong with that. I don’t think I’d eat much more in the street, whether it was okay or not…
How about eating on your front lawn or bungalow outdoor porch?
Your bungalow porch isn’t the street either. Your front lawn probably depends on where you live.
S/o once asked R Avigdor Miller ZT’L regarding this topic, what if it’s only a snack. R A.M. answered “Then you’re only a puppy.”
So, how come Boone has a problem with people standing and fressing at kiddushes and smorgasbords?
I like that answer, BSD. Thanks for sharing.
In Lakewood there is a pizza store with no tables, because they dont want people mingling.
If you cant eat the Pizza slice in the store, People will eat it in the street
“I always wondered…are things like gum/water included in this issur?”
For gum you are compared to a cow(doimeh L’parah).
Chewing gum anytime is compared to a cow?
shein -If it’s a habit of yours.
So what about gum or candy? Is the issur only while walking? What if I sit down on a park bench (outside) to eat something, and then stand up? What is meant by “the street”?
stop being so technical!
BSD- awesome answer!!!!! thanks!
“Eating on the Street”
Did someone spread a blanket out on the street and have a picnic? What are you asking? If the concern is that people see you (IE the comment about sitting near the window of a restaurant), then why is sitting around the table with other people any different?
Regarding walking around and eating, even inside it may be an issue regarding brachos and bracha achrona, birchas hamazon (IE where is the kvius seuda etc…), depending how where you go from/to.
Eating on the street is quite chazerish.
walking and eating not even on the street is chazerish. i was in my college cafeteria today and there was a dude walking around and eating a roll or sandwich or something. i was ready to tell him “DUDE!!!! sit while you eat PLEASE!!!!” it was shnasty to the nth degree
shnasty
I believe it is shnasty to use the word “shnasty.”
The Wolf
“it was shnasty to the nth degree”
I believe it is shnasty to use the word “shnasty.”
I think tab was being a good Jew and a used a shortened version of “nasty shmasty”. Shnasty covered everything. 🙂
Actually kapusta it’s just the word I use to describe ssomething that is disgusting but nasty just isn’t the right word to describe it. And as Wolf said, the word shnasty does sound well shnasty
Oh well.
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