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overeating is indeed a disorder. just like being an alcoholic, smoker, gambler etc
very hard to get out of the cycle and easy to revert back
it is a daily battle..which can be won
m, Relief is referral organization. most practitioners they reffer you to charge high fees, many frum familiess cannot afford. I am familiar with a particualr crisis where releif reffered to someone who said she would charge $175 for a session, and at the end of the session she asked for $350. The family was speechless, wrote the check, and thencalled relief. Relief told them to call practioner and ask for a refund. they did. she never refunded. Hope someone at Relief is reading this post.
Professional – Bringing one case shows nothing on either the org. (Relief) or the therapist. Did anyone ask the therapist why? Maybe they required a double appt. -being that it was the first time. A lot of therapists schedule a double for the first time -hence the $350 charge. One session is anywhere between 40 minutes to an hour depending on the therapist.
A Relative of one who went thru counseling, hospital stays etc etc and still not recovered, said she learnt there is no solution, its a lifetime issue. if anyone knows differently – would love to hear!
The 12 steps can help someone with anorexia or bulemia
Send them to an OA group
Professional, as I I said I do not have first hand experience with the actual organization — although most referral agencies don’t deal with the financial aspect — they made referrals based on a person’s professional reputation, etc. My main point was that I have found their website to be a good source of information on these topics.
Health, it was you who raised the issue of credentials and when I asked you what you do for a living you responded with “I’m in the Health/Medical field.”
All right then. It’s a safe bet we’ve eliminated physician and nurse, two very honorable professions, or you would have said that. So what is it? The last time someone said to me “I’m in health care,” it turned out to be a nursing home administrator.
By the way, isn’t it amazing how when one person uses Google to make a point online another person can actually go ahead and dig deeper into it?
Today I happened to speak to a colleague of Dr. Walsh in the same department at Columbia. He told me that the classifications of eating disorders in the forthcoming Fifth Edition of the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders” published by the American Psychiatric Association has not yet been settled and that there is much discussion and debate going on.
While it is settled that anorexia and bulimia are agreed to be disorders, many are of the opinion that repeatedly eating to excess such that the patient is classified as Morbidly Obese is also a disorder.
For the life of me, I do not understand why you are emphasizing that “overeating is not a disorder.” If G-d forbid the DSM-V eventually doesn’t classify it as such, how many unhealthy people in our community will continue their “fressing ways” to the inevitable complications of cardiovascular disease, diabetes and other terrible problems?
I am sure you don’t want that, hence I don’t understand your point.
“For the life of me, I do not understand why you are emphasizing that “overeating is not a disorder.” If G-d forbid the DSM-V eventually doesn’t classify it as such, how many unhealthy people in our community will continue their “fressing ways” to the inevitable complications of cardiovascular disease, diabetes and other terrible problems?
I am sure you don’t want that, hence I don’t understand your point.”
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The reason you are the only one still left on this page who doesn’t understand my point is because you never read the whole post.
Even the ones I posted against originally have agreed to it. My point is simple -Overeating and obesity might be medical disorders, but they aren’t mental disorders! Kapish?
But what is the difference what we define as a mental disorder?
Overeaters have a hard time stopping and sometimes join Overeaters anonymous.
Popa -Many reasons; 1. in the frum community it’s a very big stigma to be even slightly mentally ill. 2. From a medical standpoint -how to treat it.
If I would think into it, I probably could come up with more, but this is what I came up with off the top of my head!
Well maybe this could help reduce the stigma.
How?
By watering down the definition, and thereby, perception of mental illness.
health, I understand your misguided point very well and I consider it to be as valid as your knowledge of the Italian language.
Capisce?
Popa, how sad that there would be any stigma over something caused, for example, by a chemical imbalance in the brain (e.g. clinical depression) as opposed to an imbalance in the blood (e.g. leukemia). Both are illnesses.
Under health‘s reasoning, the person with the BMI of 33 (morbidly obese) has gotten there wilfully and continues to eat himself into the grave, because, supposedly he wants to. Too bad some can’t cut these folks a break and say they, too are ill!
Homeowner:
Firstly, I am from the school that does not believe chemical imbalance is the cause of most normal mental illness.
Secondly, stigma’s are not random. The reason people fear mental illness is because you can be hurt by it. You are less hurt by your spouse being fat- especially if you knew beforehand.
As it happens, I think the stigma attached to mental illness goes beyond what is rational.
Homeowner- speaking about languages -you claim it’s My misguided point. I’m not the one who classifies what is or what isn’t a mental illness. You can argue with the experts who do, but you use me in order to convince people. People would probably not give much credence to your posts, if they realized who you really are arguing on!
i’d like to make a genral statement about eating disorders- many people use that term vey loosly and it shouldnt be that way cuz its a very serious thing- if u see someone whether u no them or not- and they are skinny dont say “omg ur anorexic” “omg its disgusting how skinny u r its sick” its just wrong and rude- and just cuz somone is skinny doesnt mean that they are sick- or some would call them lucky- u dodnt no how some of them are dieing to gain just one or two more pounds but no matter wat they eat or try to do it just doesnt stay on- dont be all like i wish i had that problem- u really dont and it gets so tiring hearing ppl say” i’m jeauluos of how skinny u are” or ” omg u look sick” skinny ppl have feelings to so think before u speak and dont jump to conclusions that all skinny ppl have a disorder- how would u like it if someone said “omg- its sick how tall u are” uld really get annoyed after hearing it all the time even from random strangers u met in the ice cream store!!!! thank you- sry i just had to vent wat was wrong with todays society
also dont tell any one omg u look great- or u look like u lost weight- it messes with minds- be more specific- u look great in that dress- NEVER comment on someones weight- thats the start of eating disorders!!!!!
Health – I try to be VERY careful about what discussions I get involved in and if you weren’t entering the health field I would let this go. For your own benefit, and at your own pace, I recommend you print out this thread and re-read it. Notice your tone, notice the pattern of the content of your retorts and how you chose, at times, to ‘retaliate’ instead of address. I mean well, please don’t be offended, but I am also a health care provider and I know how important a providers attitude is in any healing process. You sound angry and defensive and probably don’t need to be. Everyone hear has opinions and we are all entitled to them, even when we aren’t agreeing.
GMT -Whatever you post about me is true. I enjoy it. I post things that mods come and delete or edit. That’s their job, not mine. Also, what makes the way I post here have anything to do with my attitude towards patients? You don’t know me and how could you possibly jump to such a conclusion? Also, acc. to Homeowner’s logic, since you didn’t say what degree you have, you must be a Nursing Home administrator!
they say that in some seminaries the girls eat so much that at a certain point their apetites are so big that they develop an apetite for other people. THIS IS CANNIBALISM
my mother is convinced that i am obsessed with losing weight. im soo not. im just health concious. is it possible that this could get dangerous in seminary? i have absolutely no intentions in dieting when im in israel. im definatly gonna enjoy my 10 months in sem.
nsh – Depends what you consider just health conscious. Do you spend your day thinking about your weight, calculating calories and carbs in your head all the time? If not than you’ll be fine. If you are a bit more than health conscious, a seminary far from home is not a smart idea.
Girls gain weight in seminary. Period. Everybody gains, anywhere from 5-30 pounds. To a certain extent, it is under a girl’s control if she is going to gain weight or not and if she doesn’t overeat then it won’t happen. But it’s almost impossible, with the irregular hours, fattening food, lack of access to healthy foods,no gym, etc. I don’t think anybody who hasn’t experienced this can really understand how stressful and frustrating it is to suddenly be gaining a ton of weight when you’ve never in your life struggled with your weight, and not being able to fit into your clothes and not even being able to BUY new clothes. It’s more than just annoying, it’s actually scary. And girls are facing so much pressure – even from their own mothers (which is a whole separate issue) – to lose weight for shidduchim. But forget about the pressure – if even for herself and her own self-esteem and body image, a girl will resort to desperate measures to get skinny. Especially a girl who was skinny when she left to seminary and is facing the embarrassment of coming home with a totally different body. So yes, anorexia/bulimia is a big problem. But the alternative is pretty bad too.
I didn’t gain weight in sem! I actually stayed the same…
Anyway, my roommate in sem became borderline anorexic in the middle of the year, she was obsessed with dieting and doing major exercise the whole time – literally. It got so bad she was actually hospitalised for what was a regular stomach bug. In the end the aim bayit told her to eat properly or she would have to leave sem.
“Do you spend your day thinking about your weight, calculating calories and carbs in your head all the time? “
i dont think about calories all day long. i weigh myself every few days and i am aware of what i am putting in my mouth all the time.(i know you can be aware that you are eating cake) i definately don’t calculate every thing that goes in my mouth.
Kayla1994: It is very possible to not gain weight in seminary, through either willpower, good genes, or some combination thereof.
NSH: You need to be very, very careful. Even if you’re perfectly healthy now, seminary can be a stressful experience and that can sometimes send perfectly healthy girls to an unhealthy place.
thank you wallflower, but cant that happen to anybody? my mother is convinced that my ‘obsession’ as she calls it, with losing weight will spiral out of control in sen
“In the end the aim bayit told her to eat properly or she would have to leave sem.”
K…it’s a mental disorder…you can’t just tell somebody who’s mentally ill to “stop it” or “snap out of it”…I mean seriously people
“Kayla1994: It is very possible to not gain weight in seminary, through either willpower, good genes, or some combination thereof.
Sure it’s possible…anything’s possible. Just insanely hard in seminary.
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