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    Abba_S
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    Last year the State sent a prosecutor to fix the East Ramapo School Problem, but he couldn’t find any criminal acts, otherwise the board would have been charged with a crime and the state would have taken over the Board of Education. Now they sent 3 administrators to see how to solve the problem. They are observers and have no say in the running of the Board of Education.

    The Frum community only uses two services offered by the Board of Education school busing and special education both of these things are mandatory.

    The Public School Supporters want to deny these services to the frum community. The problem is since they are mandatory they are hard to cut.

    Another problem is the school board is run by the Frum people, and the Public School Supporters want them to be replaced. The State has the right to remove them for just cause. This is usually means when they are tried and convicted of a crime then the state can remove them and takeover the district. Otherwise there is a due process hearing, which means the state has to go before a judge with enough proof to show that they are ruining the public schools.

    The state is trying to get a new law passed that will allow them to take over the district even though the Board acted properly.

    The problem is that unless the state is prepared to give the District $10-20 million a year for the next few years nothing is going to change. As far as raising taxes that will not happen once the state takes over, since the board wouldn’t approve the school budget and the frum community wouldn’t approve it either so there will be no tax increase. So unless these monitors can use the public school’s budget more efficiently nothings going to change.

    The Monitors have to submit their report to the state in December. Even if the monitor get the power to override the Board it will not satisfy the Public School Supporters as they want the Frum board members removed. So the Board will still be fighting them in court using Board’s( Public School’s) money. The Board may also sue the monitors also using Board’s (Public School’s)money.

    Also the Frum community may sue the state claiming taxation without representation and want their property tax reduced or exempt. So there is the risk that the state will be on the hook to fund the budget which this year was $218 million.

    #1098132
    MRS PLONY
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    Thank you, Abba_S, for explaining it all so clearly.

    #1098133
    lesschumras
    Participant

    Abba, can you confirm the following? A. Does the board conduct closed meetings? B. Did the board attempt to sell/lease a school building at below market rate to a yeshiva?

    Thanks

    #1098134
    nishtdayngesheft
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    Less,

    Did you stop beating your wife yet?

    You pose questions that can’t be answered just as yes or no.

    1) The board has public meetings. I’ve actually gone to see one. Does the board ever go to executive session. Yes. Every board does and should. There are good and legitimate reasons to.

    2) They received approval from the State Ed department to seek a building based on an appraisal.

    Please answer yes or no, have you stopped beating your wife?

    #1098135
    MRS PLONY
    Participant

    NDG, and anyway, regarding question B, Who else in Rockland County is going to buy or sell a school building except a Jewish school? If I recall correctly, the public school closed because there were so few students and the Board was trying to save money for the District.

    #1098137
    Abba_S
    Participant

    Less Chumras

    ” can you confirm the following? A. Does the board conduct closed meetings? B. Did the board attempt to sell/lease a school building at below market rate to a yeshiva?”

    A) I am not a member of the Board so I can’t confirm whether they have closed meeting. I assume they do because the monitors are only allowed to attend them with the board’s permission. If the meetings were open to the public why would they need an invitation?

    B) Back in 2010 the Board sold a school building to a yeshiva based on an appraisal made by and outside appraiser. The Attorney General investigated the sale and the sale was voided and the yeshiva had to raise the purchase price in order to complete the sale. The only one charged in this case was the appraiser who they gave a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to not revealing that he previously appraised the property for a higher amount. As far as I know the yeshiva is still using the building but I don’t know if the state approved the sale. All I do know is no one else has been charged. In New York State you can indict a “Ham Sandwich” because all you need is probable cause. The problem is that in order to convict you need to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt which is a lot harder.

    Also to charge them(the board) with anything they have to charge them within the statute of limitation which can run from 1-3 years depending on the charge. I would assume the prosecutor who was the monitor last year was aware of this and if he had any criminal evidence he would have brought charges.

    #1098138
    lesschumras
    Participant

    Nisht, nice way to obfuscate.my questions had simple yes or no answers. There is no need to insult. Abba’s answers, however, were informative without getting personal.

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