Driving on Shabbos

lilmod, do you also refuse to believe reports, due to l”h, that Bibi Netanyahu, Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders don’t keep Shabbos?

“Not all victims of molestors are girls, many are boys.”

What does that have to do with anything? In this case, they were all girls and they weren’t molested.

“If you wish to call a Shmiras Halashon if a known molestor attends your shul with your nieces and nephews (Or any other relatives), go right ahead.”

That has nothing to do with the example I cited.

“I will protect my family first and if it means I did an averiah, I will take that averiah. Better I take such an averiah than anyone become a victim”

That shows a big lack of emunah. If a certain type of hishtadlus is assur according to halacha, doing it won’t help you a bit. Hashem is the one who decides what happens. Our actions don’t make things happen, and it is kefira to think that they do.

As the Mesilas Yesharim says, our hishtadlus is muchrach (required) but not mo’il (causative).

The Chovos Halevavos says that if someone does hishtadlus that is against the Torah, it shows a lack of bitachon. If you think that acting against Hashem’s Will will help you that means that you think that you are in control and not Hashem. You think that your actions make things happen, and not Hashem.

If you had lived in the US in the early 1900’s would you have said it was okay to be mechalel Shabbos because otherwise you wouldn’t have a parnassah and your kids might starve?

In any case, if you know that the guy is a molestor and that a specific person or people is going to be coming into contact with them, of course, you are allowed to warn them. But that has nothing to do with deciding that you can make public announcements online because you heard that a certain person might be a molestor even if you don’t know that they are a danger or that your announcement will protect anyone. And even in the example you gave, you would still need to ask a sheilah in order to find out exactly what you are allowed to say and how to phrase it.

“And people who cheat in their taxes (I dont mean take an illegal deduction, I mean serious cheating like not paying sales taxes or paying employees in cash) are likely to be dishonest elsewhere as well”

To think that you can make a public announcement condemning someone who cheats on his taxes because otherwise someone might end up being cheated by them is absolutely absurd. Maybe I should say that if someone makes statements reflecting a certain lack of emunah, then I could assume they might end up being dishonest since they think that their parnassah depends on their own hishtadlus so I have to tell everyone about them?

Huju -“Would everyone please stop worrying about Ivanka Trump’s observation of halacha. No one is holding her up as a model of frum womanhood. It’s unfair to her, and unfair to OJ’s (orthodox Jews).”

I agree! Instead we need to worry about all the fakers that pretend to be Frum.

Anyways, she’s a typical Giyores, it goes in stages!

“And just to be clear, I am a registered Democrat, an unregistered liberal, and I expect her father to continue to be a liar, cheater, fake phony fraud, and will be the worst president the US has ever had. I also hope I turn out to be wrong. (I was wrong once before, and I got over it).”

Whatever that you think about Trump, it is a lot better than the other choice – Crooked Hillary!

From dinonline:

[including throwing rocks at police], it would surely be considered pikuach nefesh. Especially if they were told so by the security officers, since it was pekuach nefesh, then they were allowed to enter the car.

Regarding the fact that they put themselves into that situation [as opposed to staying home]

I think that as reported the heter makes perfect sense, especially after seeing videos ofthe rampaging anti-Trump hooligans. Assuming that the driver is not Jewish it is at most an issur d’rabbanan of amira l’akum. This is allowed even in situations that are not life-threatening. If a non-Jew told the non-Jewish driver to drive them it is even easier. If there was a security deal in the car and there were more non-Jews than Jews it is even easier as we might be able to say that the melacha was done for their benefit.

As for copy-cats, your complaint should be against those who advertised the heter. However, it could also be that the discussions in frum social media will make people more aware of the fact that the Halacha is not black and white but shades of gray. Knowing that one has a shaila is also very important. According to the version in the Midrash Rabba, when Rabbi Pinchas ben Yair’s talmidim pointed out that animal fodder is exempt from terumot and maaserot he said “hachamor machmir”.

Avi, it is not only direct amirah/tzivui l’akum which is the problem here. Adding their weight to the car is problematic.

As far as there being more non Jews than Jews, aside from being highly unlikely, they would have to be as chashuv as the Kushners, and the car could not drive anywhere special for them. Therefore, that is completely inapplicable here.

It’s not LH to say that a secular or reform Jew who admits he/she isn’t Shomer Shabbos, isn’t Shomer Shabbos. They wouldn’t consider it an insult themselves. I think what people are trying to get at is that we’re supposed to judge our fellow Jew favorably. I.e. if you see someone you know to be frum doing something that seems not okay, you might have to assume there are other circumstances.

This doesn’t mean we have to pretend chilonim actually have kosher kitchens and are Shomer Shabbos, it just “might not seem like it.” It doesn’t apply when the person is a serial offender, which it would appear the Kushners are.

CT: How can you say it doesn’t matter when a person is born Jewish? Is Bernie not obligated in the Mitzvos? The argument is about people who are claiming they are Orthodox, while publicly violating Shabbos. Yes, I admit, it adds a bit of spice that one of them went through Orthodox geirus.

ZD: “LU always mentions Daf L’zchus.

Perhaps we should take her advice

Most jews dont keep Shabbos”

I’m being quoted by ZD! I’m impressed!

Molester is spelled with two e’s, not two o’s.

Ok, you enticed me to post with a discussion of politics, one of my favorite subjects.

@joseph, huh? My memory on these issues is certainly fading, but doesnt Rambam say that a jew can be converted by learning a few hard halachas and a few easy ones and once he is converted, even if he goes back to worshiping idols, he is still a jew? Isnt that quoted in the shulchan aruch? So if you assume that she is converted properly, what difference does it make whether she is a ger or not?

Second, isnt everyone missing the obvious? Kushner is adviser to the president of the US, whose actions affect jews in Israel and here (basically, almost all of the world’s jews). Doesnt that alone justify certain heterim? I am assuming that Queen Ester did not dress modestly. In fact, one opinion in the Talmud had her married to Mordechai.

Anyway, Kushner cares enough about the issue to leak that he got a heter. Whether he did or not, that is pretty impressive.

Second, isnt everyone missing the obvious? Kushner is adviser to the president of the US, whose actions affect jews in Israel and here (basically, almost all of the world’s jews). Doesnt that alone justify certain heterim?

Possibly, but very unlikely this.

I am assuming that Queen Ester did not dress modestly.

Don’t assume that.

Not necessarily. If a woman converts to Judaism; promising to keep the 613 mitzvot and does so sufficiently as a frum Jew, and has children; then her children are Jewish.

If she happens to go OTD the following year, are her children no longer Jewish? Does someone come in and strip away their neshamot?

“I am assuming that Queen Ester did not dress modestly.”

“Don’t assume that.”

+1 Actually she was noted for her modesty. Anyhow, in those days, I think the norm was to dress modestly. I once saw someone point out how it was a given back then that the men’s party was completely separate from the women’s party.

“Not necessarily. If a woman converts to Judaism; promising to keep the 613 mitzvot and does so sufficiently as a frum Jew, and has children; then her children are Jewish.”

What DY meant was: if her conversion was acceptable and she is Jewish, then her children are Jewish as well. If her conversion was not acceptable and she is not Jewish, then her children are not Jewish.

Basically, her kids are whatever she is. You had seemed to imply that it’s possible for her to be a non-Jew and yet for her kids to be Jewish. That is what DY was responding to.

Esther did not voluntarily marry Achashveiros. She was forced to against her will.

Joseph – but afterwards, she went to him voluntarily in order to save Am Yisrael. That’s why she said, “ka’asher avaditi avaditi”

“Seriously, pikuach nefesh? Maybe you really believe your second paragraph?”

Third and fourth are more likely. I would be pretty scared of him if he were my father, c”v.

LU, then you too are abusing the term pikuach nefesh.

Joseph, which it probably was, as she accepted all of the mitzvos, although she was sadly never taught some halachos.

For anyone who even only remotely understands what it is like to live under the hand of a father who makes a fit when things do not go his way, puts on a great show for the public, and goes off on tyrants, saying that Ivanka and her family could have been dealing with a pikuach nefesh situation is an understatement.

LB +1!

In case it wasn’t clear, my comment about modesty was an example (and frankly a euphemism). If t was not a good one, so be it. The ester example was to make a famous point. That even yeherag val Yavor stuff maybe has an exception if the entire nation is in jeopardy. Shabbos is a much easier example. After all, you can break Shabbos to save a single life, and frankly, as others have noted, you might even be able to get the violation down to a rabbinic violation.

Anti-semitism is unfortunately increasing in America. On both sides of the aisle. Israel is increasingly at risk. Those two places contain 80 percent of the worlds jews. Whatever you may think of trumps policies, the man is not stable. Nor does he like intervention in the world. Nor is he inclined to help anyone outside our borders. His original comment is that us should be neutral in the Israel Palestinian dispute. Make no mistake that Kashner changed his mind.

And as we saw, he is really obsessed with crowd size and who attended his inauguration. he would not have been happy if kushner and his daughter did not attend. And that as the most powerful man in the world, that would have affected Jewish lives through his Israel policy Is almost a certainty.

I suspect if you wanted, you could find other instances where kushner bends Jewish law. One might argue that simply makes him human. Regardless, this may very well not be one of them.

Mammale………..

Really? How would you know what Ivanka and Jared would have done?

A daughter doesn’t necessarily stay far away from the father who supports her.

How large were the campaign salaries they were paid? We’ll never know, just as the liar in chief will never release his tax returns.

I respect the OFFICE of the President of the USA. I have no respect for them who was just sworn in. I have met him, had business dealings and had him cheat my brother’s business out of money for work performed and equipment provided.

Mrs. CTL had 10 surgeries in 2016, spent 27 days on life support in ICU and had coverage because of the requirements placed on insurance companies by the ACA. $2.5 million in bills…we used to have a $1 million cap before ACA. This rasha immediately is looking to repeal ACA, but he and his family will have unlimited care on out nickel.

Now with a preexisting condition Mrs. CTL may not be able to buy new coverage at any price. I pray it doesn’t happen to you. Enjoy Trump, I’ll woirk to oppose his actions every day…if he actually does something I support, I’ll voice my approval…I am open minded.

CT, Crooked Hillary lost so the liar in chief is a misnomer. The President and the Republicans have made it clear that coverage for preexisting illnesses will continue. I’m glad ACA worked for you but please stop generalizing. My nephew and his friends experience is more common. He is going without insurance because he can’t afford the $13,000 premium for a policy that has an $8,000 deductible.

And, please stop bragging about your role as a Democratic legislature. Connecticut has become one of the highest taxed States. Briggeport is ba krupr and Hartford , the capital, is headed that way. The economy is flat and He left the state after the primal state budget Bose to E another big tax raise rather than cut spending. The two New York commuter lines that are a part of Metro North are in the process of updating their fleets with new cars; Connecticut has no plans to replace the aging fleet on its branch.

ZD +1 very true! Especially in this case. I do not envy Ivanka or Jared, especially Ivanka. I would not want to be in her shoes (literal or figurative).