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My father always objects to drinking grape juice during the week. Perhaps because it is a “Shabbos food”. Does anyone know the reasoning? Does it apply to any other foods (i.e. cholent)?
it’s expensive? If we have it often, it’s not as special on Shabbos. Imagion setting the white tabelcloth and imitating the Shabbos meal twice a week. I never felt comfertable with Thursday night cholent and kugel, either
It’s expensive and very sweet!
My father always objects to drinking grape juice during the week. Perhaps because it is a “Shabbos food”. Does anyone know the reasoning? Does it apply to any other foods (i.e. cholent)?
Why don’t you ask him why he objects to it?
The Wolf
its very high in sugar and carbs!
we get grape juice only on shabbos that’s the rule in our house.
canine – “The Wolf: I don’t want to c”v make him think that I think he is a cheapskate.”
Let’s say he is -why wouldn’t you make him aware of this problem? I let my kids drink it -if they really want and ask me first. My main problem is that I might forget that I need to get more for Shabbos because it’s not something I buy every week and it’s not something that is normally drunk in the house.
It is much LESS expensive than wine.
It’s much MORE expensive then orange juice.
How about drinking wine during the week?
Good question. I try not to drink either the juice or the wine during the week, but there is not really an opportunity to do so, unless I am at a simcha, anyway. And it is a mitzvah to be mesameach at a chasunah. Simcha is basar v’yayin.
wine? for sure not!the question is not money,it’s the idea of devaluing the shabbos food. anyway,shabbos food should be eatin shabbos. sorry.
How about drinking wine during the week?
More expensive than grape juice and orange juice, cheaper than whiskey (but I guess it depends on which wine and which whiskey).
The Wolf: I don’t want to c”v make him think that I think he is a cheapskate.
It doesn’t have to be framed that way. It could easily be done by saying “Dad, I’ve noticed that you only drink grape juice on Shabbos. Is that an old family minhag? Or personal preference?”
The Wolf
i have the same minhag. its teh same idea as having one suit you only wear on shabbos.
I remember a story about an ??? ???? whose host in his enthusiasm served him a ???? ??? & he refused it.
“Does it apply to any other foods (i.e. cholent)?”
I remember a talk from Rav Chaim Mintz Shlita at a leil shabbos seudah in Yeshiva Staten Island, where he mentioned that cholent is a “maychal shabbos” and should be reserved for shabbos. For some context: He was objecting to the fact that bachurim would go into the yeshiva kitchen on erev shabbos and help themselves to cholent. Aside from the obvious (the yeshiva is makpid and it is considered geneiva) he also mentioned that chulent should be something special saved for shabbos.
its a hergish some people have
its not a Halacha
though it is fulfilling the Mitzvah of zochor es ha Shabbos if you have such a hergesh and act on it
I didnt mean to imply that one was not allowed to eat chulent before shabbos, if anyone feels it was implied. I just wanted to point out that the concept exists.
“He was objecting to the fact that bachurim would go into the yeshiva kitchen on erev shabbos and help themselves to cholent.
And these bachurim were fulfilling the mitzvah of tasting the Shabbos dishes on erev Shabbos, as per the Arizal and others.
And were violating the the laws of gezel as per the torah, since the yeshiva made it very clear that it was forbidden to do so. I dont suppose you advocate fulfilling a “mitzvah” al pi kaballa by violating a dioraiisa.
I occasionally drink grape juice during the week, but only if there is nothing else cold to drink in the fridge.
Someone mentioned that grape juice is expensive . . . it’s funny, but the American grape juice (Kedem) is cheaper here in Israel than the Israeli grape juice, if you go to the right stores.
The yeshiva administration specifically told the bachurim that they could not taste the cholent on erev Shabbos (even a little bit, and even though the cholent was prepared for them anyway), even though halacha requires (or at least recommends) tasting the Shabbos dishes on erev Shabbos. (?)
mik5: Presumably someone made sure the dishes tasted normal/good. Why is every Bachur in a Yeshivah obligated/allowed to taste the food?
If every bocher took a little chulent thursday, there might not be enough on Shabbos
mik 5, On erev Shabbos I make a habit of sampling from all Shabbos foods at all take out stores on 13th avenue.
Sadly the store owners are not aware of this halacha of yours and throw me out of their stores
I remember a talk from Rav Chaim Mintz Shlita at a leil shabbos seudah in Yeshiva Staten Island, where he mentioned that cholent is a “maychal shabbos” and should be reserved for shabbos.
So, presumably, when I eat my Shabbos leftovers on Sunday night, I’m desecrating the Shabbos by not reserving the Shabbos food for Shabbos.
The Wolf
Perhaps because it is a “Shabbos food” Can you Canine explain to me how you have defined Grape Juice as a food? This does not make sense according to rules of English language.
My father always objects to drinking grape juice during the week. Can you Canine please explain me, how your dad differentiates between the “9 Days” and other weeks of the year?
Is that an old family minhag? WolfishMusings:- Only a Minhog during the 9 days, except for Seuda Mafsekes, whereby it is MiDino of Gemorro {@end of Tractate Ta’anis}. Any other time, there is no Minhog to abstain from Grape Juice.
BTW:- For medical reasons, I can only drink wine, and absolutely cannot drink any grape juice. All my various physicians have concurred with me, and told me not to worry about wine & medicines, but just drink wine for Kiddush, Havdolo, Seder nite, Purim, and stay away from grape juice.
147
Grape juice is in fact a “food”
From Oxford dictionary
“any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth”
ubiquitin: So are you saying that someone requiring to consume shiurim on Yom Kippur, can consume a soda + grape juice in same time span of “Kedei Achilas Pas” and cannot combine grape juice with say cheese or chicken in same time span of “Kedei Achilas Pras”?
Furthermore ubiquitin: How then does Benediction of “Borei Peri haGofen” absolve all drinks from benediction of SheHaKol?
Milk5. Yes. Lo signov is a lav dioraisa. Toameha is not an asay dioraisa to apply asay docha lo saseh. Moreover the cook took care of the toameha to ensure the food tasted fine.
147, halachah does not need to conform to the rules of the English language.
147
I quote “This does not make sense according to rules of English language. “
You did not say this does not make sense according to hilchos Bracha achrona or shiurim on yom kippur. Which to the best of my knoledge do not care much as to what oxford dictionary has to say. But the “English language” certainly does.
I don’t understand- what is wrong with wine during the weekdays? Wine is not specifically a Shabbat food, it is just used on Shabbat for Kiddush. And as for grape juice, we don’t use that on Shabbat, (we only use wine), but we still always have it around because some people in my family like drinking. I don’t believe that there’s a problem with that.
jack,
wine is different than grape juice, people drink wine during the week and grape juice only on shabbos
people drink wine during the week and grape juice only on shabbos
Says who? My kids drink grape juice during the week.
The Wolf
wolfish,
your wife doesn’t tell them not to, its for shabbos?
my wife does
Many times you can get the Kedem 22 oz Glass bottles for 99 cents at Waldbaums, Pathmark or Stop and Shop. It can be bought cheaply
your wife doesn’t tell them not to, its for shabbos?
my wife does
She doesn’t have to. We use wine for kiddush. The only time we ritually use grape juice is for havdallah. As long as they leave us a cup’s worth for that, we’re fine.
The Wolf
We use wine for kiddush. The only time we ritually use grape juice is for havdallah. As long as they leave us a cup’s worth for that, we’re fine.
oh, we use grape juice for kiddush
and good luck telling a 5 and 3 year old to save some
my 3 year old thinkks were rich and knows the gemara about using wine to clean floors (jk)
I use wine on Shabbat, and grape juice for Havdallah and also just as a drink for during the week. We don’t buy soda, and juices are the alternative.
and good luck telling a 5 and 3 year old to save some
Well, my kids are older. But the fact that your kids are younger doesn’t automatically mean that no one (or even the majority of people) drink(s) grape juice during the week (as per your previous statement, quoted below).
wine is different than grape juice, people drink wine during the week and grape juice only on shabbos
The Wolf
true,
i extrapolated from myself to other people
I grew up having grape juice/wine on shabbos only. When i’d go to a close friends house, i noticed that they had gold grape juice for supper many times. This friend of mine is part of a family of health nuts. Could be that they only drink fruit juices and water during fleishig meals. When they offered me a drink, they would offer me the whatever drink was out, including the gold grape juice. When i drank it, it would feel like i just got a treat or something really special. (by the way, i stressed the fact that it was gold grape juice to make a point that maybe they only used gold during the week and red/purple for shabbos)
I think its special to have something set aside only for shabbos. For me it makes that food have an extra special flavor.
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