Dr Vadimir “Zev” Zelenko being investigated

The basis of what they’re investigating is a joke.

The details are not clear but the investigation seems to be based on the following series of events:

1. Jerome Corsi who is a “commentor” (e.g. on twitter or other places) sent an e-mail to Zelenko and it said something about Zelenko claiming he had a FDA approved study for his treatment plan.

2. Instead of sending the e-mail to Zelenko it was sent by accident to Zelinsky a federal prosecutor.

3. Zelinsky, looked up on a FDA site for a list of FDA approved studies and did not see any such study approved.

— It should be apparent that the government is tasked with investigating people making false claims regarding medicine. A statement that someone is doing a FDA approved study, when they are not is problematic.

4. Accordingly, Zelinsky the prosecutor, reached out to Corsi’s attorney and requested copies of all communications with Zelenko.

5. Corsi said that Zelenko said he had a FDA approved study to another physician at a training event.

6. Coris said he asked Zelenko about it and he thinks Zelenko meant it was a hospital-panel approved study and did not understand what it meant to have a FDA approved study.

7. Corsi said he is cooperating with the Feds (Zelenko says he has not been contacted by the Feds).

— I don’t think anyone should make a big deal about this investigation. It seems warranted based on the inadvertent e-mail the prosecutor received and assuming Zelenko was not trying to promote a false claim that he had a FDA approved study, little reason to assume that anything will come of this. To say this is about politics is to say that apparently false claims made by people with politics you disagree with should not be investigated ever. If the other communications support that there was no intent here to promote a false claim, this like many other inquiries will be filed away with nothing happening.

I wonder if the reporter did it on purpose.

Is the Zelenko Protocol quack medication? He’s not selling anything. Quacks usually push an unproven/ disproven “alternative” remedy. I can find no other studies combining hydroxychloroquine with ZINC. Is he trying to sell copies of his book? Is he insane? Is he lying about his numbers? Does he pre-screen for people who likely would recover anyway? He just combined treatments used in other countries and started people on them earlier. What was the outcome of his 1,200 patients whom he didn’t treat with the three-drug cocktail?

Health, AFAIK you’ve never revealed your credentials in the CR. You’ve said you work in the health field, but that could be anything from an HCA on up.

“Is the Zelenko Protocol quack medication? ”

Yes.

“Hydrochloquine and azithromycin are FDA approved medication to treat other sicknesses ”

But not together. There is a specific warning about using them together in the physicians desk reference.

” I can find no other studies combining hydroxychloroquine with ZINC. ”

There is one about to get underway at St. Francis Hospital in Roslyn, Long Island. Go to clinicaltrials dot gov to find the information. It is study NCH04370782.

Additionally hundreds of hospitals across the United States as well as hundreds of hospitals across the world are now using Dr. Zelenko’s protocol.

Dear Joseph,
Can you list a source for that? Or just tell us any random five hospitals.

From my previous post:
“I recommend Zinc + HCQ. BOTH Very safe drugs for a short period of Time!”

From Science Based Medicine:
Proof that HCQ Works against Covid19.

“One minor side effect of the pandemic is that perhaps more people will learn about what drug research and clinical trials can really be like. Today’s example: we have a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine from Wuhan that has just published on a preprint server. What’s good is that this one is blinded, randomized, and controlled (like the earlier hydroxychloroquine which one I blogged about here from Zhejiang University, so we can actually talk about it rather than just spend all our time wondering what the heck is going on.
This time there were 31 patients in the treatment group and 31 in the control group. Median age was 44.7 years, male-female ratio almost even. Both groups got standard-of-care (oxygen therapy, antiviral drugs, antibiotics – presumably against suspected bacterial pneumonia – and immunoglobulin, with or without corticosteroids). In addition, the treatment group got 5 days of hydroxychloroquine, 200 mg b.i.d. All were diagnosed with (relatively) mild illness, but all had pneumonia by CT scan. More patients in the treatment group presented with fever and cough as compared to the control group.
After five days of treatment, the treatment group showed significant improvements in comparison to the controls in fever, in cough, and in pneumonia (by CT scan). This is actually the first controlled study to show any benefit for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine therapy against the coronavirus – it may sound odd to say that, but all the positive reports we have had up to now are anecdotal reports and open-label studies without control groups. The one controlled study we have seen, as mentioned, showed no effect.”

catch yourself -“I’m not a physician, and I know nothing about the physicians desk reference.”

Don’t Worry – Neither is Charlie!

To coffee addled: You seem to have an extremely narrow definition of “quack medicine.” Yes, hydroxchloroquine is FDA approved for treatment of malaria, and azithromycin is FDA approved as an anti-biotic, but prescribing them to grow hair or cure COVID-19 is quack medicine, or should I say, just Daffy.

This so-called “investigation” is a complete fraud and scandal, just like the Mueller “investigation” of the Russia hoax that this guy was involved in. The “investigator” is far more likely to face criminal charges than Dr Z is. Now that we have solid proof that the Flynn charges were knowingly false, the whole scandal is going to unravel and there will be FBI agents in prison.

The bottom line is that even if Dr Z had knowingly and deliberately claimed to be running an FDA-approved study, it would not be illegal because it was in a private communication. The government cannot regulate what individuals say to each other in a non-commercial setting. Thus there is no basis for any investigation. Now if he’d advertised such a claim, in some form that could be considered commercial speech, then there would be something to talk about, but that’s not what happened.

The doctor seems okay. The investigator seems straightforward. This journalist is full of bunk. He is the subject of the inquiry.

Zelenko’s only mistake was getting involved with a flake like Corsi. I assume he had not previously heard of him, and didn’t know his reputation. I have known his name for over 30 years, and not in a complimentary context.

Huju: The New York Times reported it multiple times. It didn’t call it Dr. Z’s protocol but rather it identified the medication cocktail the large number of hospitals across the US and world were using and stated it was what President Trump was promoting that didn’t yet have medical science proving its effectiveness.

He rightfully took it public in order to share the life saving measures he’s using so the public could be aware of its availability.

This is funny. He’s not being investigated for using the treatment. Just for claiming it was tested in an FDA approved study, which it wasn’t. So you don’t have to cry anti-trumpism. And the investigation didn’t even start because he was in the news, just because of a wrong email address accident.

Dr Zelenko Under Federal Investigation By Muller Prosecutor Of Impeachment-Flop Fame

And it doesn’t seem like a serious investigation, so you don’t have to panic.

GH -“Fox News evening lineup …. shifted to a combination of anti-Fauci rhetoric and “ObamaGate.”

That’s fine. The main thing us Conservatives should Focus on is Biden’s Abuse of Tara Reade!
The Demoncrats Hypocrisy is Extremely Scary.
They believe a DRUNK Woman when it comes to a Conservative US Supreme Court nominee, but Not a
Sober Young Woman that worked in Biden’s Senate Office!

n0mesorah -“Dear Health,
From a conservative viewpoint, why would one care about someone else’s personal life?”

So tell me – why did the Demoncrats decide that a Supreme Court Justice has to be on the Up & Up?
And then a Senator from Delaware can do what he wants – whenever he feels like it?!?

nOmesorah -“true conservative sticks his own view to his own outlook. And he sticks it to himself.”

So what? Did you ever hear – you fight Fire with Fire?!?
The libs will do anything & everything to make Republicans look Bad.
This is why we Conservatives have to point out the Liberal HYPOCRISES!

From a conservative viewpoint, why would one care about someone else’s personal life?

Nobody cares about Biden’s personal life. Ms Reade’s accusations are not about his personal life.

Nor is the fact that right up until he was the accused, he took the position that all accusers must be believed without question, and anyone accused must be ruined. He supported the kangaroo courts with which colleges destroy the lives of so many male students. He supported the utterly baseless accusations against Justice Thomas, and then years later against Justice Kavanaugh. So it’s not a matter of his personal life that when his turn has come around he and the entire Democrat Party have changed their standards. The innocent blood he has spilled in the name of believing all accusers is now crying out for justice.

No, it is not. It is called holding him to his own standards. Having enthusiastically supported the ruin of many people based on those standards he is morally estopped from mounting a defense that is contrary to them. He has made his bed, and now he must lie in it.

It’s also one of Saul Alinksy’s better rules: Hold them to their own rules.

nOmesorah -“There is no automatic reason to fight anyone else’s worldview.”

This is Not philosophy class. We must stand up to these Libs, otherwise, which is already done, they Force their ways upon us with Laws!
What exactly that you don’t understand?

Dear Milhouse,
My mistake. Make that poetic justice. If I had the genius of our President, that first comment would be sarcasm. Alas, forgive my grotesque blunder. But, I still have no reason to hold him to any standard. He could hold himself to his own standard.