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Dear readers,
Ever driving and you get stuck behind a Garbage Truck that can’t pass because some one is double parked.Ever driving on avenue J and you cant pass because a city bus can’t get by a nut thats double parked.Can every body please have the slightest bit of consideration and circle the blocks twice like that the streets wont be so bad?
Forget it. Lost case. People just forgot what decency means.
The driving here is insane. And unless the city won’t do something drastic, pple just won’t change…
I’m really embarrassed from some people sometimes…such a chilul hashem.
i was once driving back from coney island beach and i hit avenue N and git stuck behind a double parked car…i was like “yeah, im back” lol
Maskim 100%. I personally don’t double park b’shitah. I know I can’t change the world, but that doesn’t make okay for me to do. The sad part is that if someone is sitting in his car double parked, and a cop comes to give a ticket, he’ll try to drive away. And if he does end up getting the ticket, the cop will be called “that dirty mamzer”.
I also don’t double park. Period. There have even been times when I’ve had to miss davening with a minyan because I could not find a legal parking space. But I wasn’t sure my tefillah would be kosher if I had to commit an aveirah in order to get to the beit knesset.
And unless the city won’t do something drastic, pple just won’t change…
You’re right. The city should do something drastic . . . remove all the traffic signs and signals. In cities in Europe where they have experimented with the removal of traffic signs and signals, based on the the theories of Hans Monderman, they have found that the rate of accidents are reduced and drivers start behaving better.
Haifagirl- that won’t work in brooklyn!! I guess you’ve never been to brooklyn before??!! Or at least not in the crazy rush hours.
They need to control traffic with HEAVY fines. Money always talks.
Instead of paying for meters, people should pay bigger fines when going against the law.
haifagirl, but that would require replacing intersections with roundabouts.
Ever try to park near Landaus Shul (especailly bain Hazmanim)? It is crazy… i have davened at a later minyan than I had planned several times because (1) I have to pass numerous double parked cars (2) I have been cut off by someone makin a spontaneous U Turn on ave L and (3) trying to go around cars parked in the crosswalk.
Not too mention cars parked at the hydrants, buchrim running into the street without looking etc. We all need to be more considerate of each other!
I am not saying if this was right or wrong but I know of a story were someone double parked and this person couldn’t get through and it was taking him a very long time to inch his way between the cars. Finally after he got through he went to the car that was double parked and took out all the air from the tires, and wrote a message on a paper “There is nothing wrong with your tires-I just let the air out-just like you wasted my time I am wasted yours and stuck it on the double parked car.
I know I’m going to get slammed for this, but here goes…
I generally don’t double park either. I agree that (legalities aside) it is rude, inconsiderate and thoughtless regarding the well-being of your fellow man (or woman).
That being said, there is one occasion where I regularly double-park.
My mother is disabled. For her, walking more than a few steps comes at a fairly high price (pain-wise). So, when I take her home from my house (she comes to visit fairly often), I will double park in front of her building (and help her into the building) if I can’t find a close spot.
Fortunately, she lives on a very wide one-way street. Even with my minivan double parked, there is more than enough room for a garbage truck, school bus or other similarly large vehicle to pass. About the only things that might have trouble are tractor trailers or tanks — both of which are seen very rarely (if at all) on that street.
(And yes, when I do double park, I try to do it in a way that no one is blocked in. And, if it must be that way, then I’m always checking to make sure that the blocked-in people aren’t there and need me to move.)
The Wolf
Wolf: I don’t think anyone will slam you for that. If anyone in NYC can manage to not do that, the only conceivable reason could be is that they don’t drive.
this is a little off topic, but its a cute story anyway. my father rarely beeps, unless its an emergency. while he was driving he came across a double parked car, which he couldn’t fit through. behind him a driver was leaning on his horn the whole time and really causing a racket. my father calmly went out of his car and went to the other guys window and handed him his keys to his car and said, “here you try to do it, i can’t.” the guy confidentaly went, started the car….and couldn’t get through! he went back to his car. i don’t remember the rest of the story but i think the driver waited quietly. just a little lesson on patience.
Wolfish musings-your reasoning is valid besides for when the whole brooklyn also seems to have a valid excuse to double park. Thank G-d i’m from out of town and we don’t have this crazy problem. I have visited brooklyn and hated it to pieces cuz of the crazy traffic, rush, and pressure.
Even though this thread was started 8 Months ago, (when most of the snow was melted) it’s on topic now (in December) when the snow is on our door step. The Choshuve oylom has a habit (Especially in Boro Park) to park halfway out in the street and in the middle of the intersection as soon as the first snowfall hits. It’s very difficult to maneuver any vehicle around, especially a bus on turns without causing damage. The traffic agents, as vicious as they are, (And they are.) they turn a blind eye to this situation. IMHO, the only remedy is that there should be an insurance regulation that any sustained damage to an improperly parked car, should be the responsibility of the owner. In other words. The driver of the vehicle that caused the damage should not be liable. It’s a sure bet that everyone will start parking properly. Snow or no snow.
I was once in Pizza Palace on Ave. M and E. 29th on a Friday, about 1:00 or so. I was waiting on line, and as is often the case on a Friday, the line was pretty long.
Some guy comes running in, and calls out to the guy behind the counter (who he was obviously friends with), “Yankel (not real name), can you quickly give me 2 slices? I parked illegally, and don’t want to get a ticket!”
I turned around and gave it to the guy over the head. “Do you know that what you’re trying to do is stealing? You’re taking my time. You have to ask permission from every person on line. I’m telling you now that I don’t give you permission. I drove around the block twice to find a legal parking spot. Are you too good to do that? Too bad. Don’t have pizza. Be like everyone else, and find a legal parking spot. Coming in and making requests like that creates a huge chillul Hashem. Who do you think you are? Go park legally, like everyone else, and then wait on line, again, like everyone else.”
He looked at the owner for a minute, who said, “Sorry, you heard him.” He then walked out.
feif un So you did not let him feif on you!
Bravo!!
Feif un- thank you. I wish more people would learn their lesson.
Do you really going around the block twice or three times is the answer? If I have to pick up my family, I won’t park at the nearest Rite Aid and take a train. The fact is that the politicians never considered the parking situation a crisis, only as an opportunity to generate “revenue”. Zoning rules never took it into consideration. If there would be enough parking for people, there wouldn’t be this many traffic jams in the cities.
Ruff – If there would be less illegal driveways, there would be more parking.
I view illegal driveways as my personal reserved spot. I leave a note in the windshield that says:
“Illegal driveway owner: if you touch my car, I’ll break your windows. I know where you live, you don’t know who I am.
Love,
Popa”
PBA; Are you that courageous?! Wow! From now on I’ll look out through the window into my illegal driveway and if it’s you I won’t disturb you. I’ll let you park there. I just installed Andersen Double pane (Or is it Pain) windows. I don’t want you to break them.
p.s.: I hope you have a sense of humor. Unlike another poster on this forum who is (Really) mad at me. If he could zap me through the internet he surely would.
I think there are ideas, if only anyone in a position to help would be interested. First of all, any new apartment building should be required to supply parking for its tenants. Perhaps multiple car driveways should be encouraged. By this, I mean that it takes up one spot but has room for a few neighbors. Try to create parallel parking wherever possible, they have room for more cars. Hydrants should be moved to the middle of the street, on the ground as a manhole. The firetrucks always block off the street, anyhow. The last one for now, and the grandest, is to have large parking areas on 13th at the beginning and end of the busy areas, and have a monorail run through 13th avenue. I think that should take care of some of the double parking, or double barking in my case.
Does anyone have any other ideas, other than to take advantage of already distressed drivers to generate revenue?
It doesn’t take much courage to make up lies on the internet.
popa,
It is difficult to determine with certainty if a driveway is illegal. You can sometimes make a good assumption, but it is hard to prove.
Popa, Please do that in front of my driveway. I’ll be waiting. You won’t like the results.
A driveway is not illegal until the Department of Buildings says it is.
Last Friday, someone blocked my driveway at 2:00 P.M. with, I suppose, a true emergency. (Yeah, right.) He was still there at 8:00 P.M. the next day (30 hours of illegal parking) when I called for the tow truck.
Maybe he also decided that he was blessed with the ability of a)determining which driveways are “illegal” and b) the right to execute his own judgment on the property owners.
Shame on you!
Homeowner:
Firstly, I thought it was your neighbor who has the illegal driveway.
Secondly, what will you do?
A ticket and tow solves most of these problems. Very low-to-nonexistent repeat offender rate.
RuffRuff said,
First of all, any new apartment building should be required to supply parking for its tenants.
Actually, any new apartment with eight (8) or more apartments already is required to have off-street parking. Ask yourself why there is new construction that does not conform to the law.
sue you
Tickets issued to a car in front of an illegal driveway are dismissed. A call to 311 on an illegal driveway results in multi-thousand dollar fine to the “homeowner”.
Would you really tow a car that threatened that? What if he really is crazy enough? What if it is me?
My driveway is legal. So is my neighbor’s.
You park here, you take the risk of not finding your car when you get back.
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Wolf what you wrote is nothing to get slammed for but im probably going to get it for this one. Now just know that what im am saying doesnt apply to an emergency or to a handicapped situation.
I feel that someone who double parks needs to work on his middos. It takes a major amount of chutzpah to double park and to block someone who waited 15 minutes for a spot, went inside to shop and is now late but cant pull out because you are blocking her. And you are blocking traffic. And you are causing people to go around you into the oncoming traffic and that is putting so many lives in danger. I saw a horrible accident that happened when someone tried to go around a double parked car. And so what if you are late for mincha? That doesnt give you a right to do things wrong.
And the same applies to someone who cuts someone else off. Or goes through a red light. Or a stop sign. Aggressive drivers need to work on their middos first. What do you think someone says when he is cut off by a Frum Jew? I dont think it has any nice words in it. Besides the chillul Hashem it is really alot of chutzpa.
Moderators, before editing someone’s comment, keep in mind that it might look worse when you’re done with it then before you started. Homeowner’s comment wasn’t anything bad, but now it looks like who knows what he wrote. I think it portrays him wrong. Keep that in mind.
ruffruff
first of all in my opinion it WAS sonething “bad” which is why it was removed.
second of all you are correct in that “EDITED” can sometimes make it look like something worse was removed than actually the case. my preference would be to not write: “EDITED” on the majority of edited posts unless it was a very significant edit
unfortunately there are a number of posters who think they know how to moderate better than the moderators and like to inform of us of their ideas. many have expressed total outrage at the practice of editing posts without such indications. so therefore we incidate the edit in all cases (except spelling or the like.)
what irks me when people double park – is that they dont know how to do it or just dont care so they dont mess up the flow of traffic – such as;
when there is another double parked car right across the street in the opposite direction and they chose to stop there so only 1 car can slip through.
you should go right as close to the legally parked car with out actually hitting it.. and not 20 feet away where we are not sure if you are part of traffic or parked
when there are actually open spots ahead but too lazy to go there cuz double parking is closer and easier.. countless times i see hydrants or do not parking spots empty with cars double park earlier on in the block. both are illegal but at least they dont cause other people to suffer.
“I know where you live, you don’t know who I am.”
You may not be as anonymous as you think.
For a small fee, the license plate of a car can be used to locate the registered owner of a car, via a public record database.
Only police can pull a license plate name. And they only do so if there was a crime and a police report filed. And even then they do not give than info to any private individuals.
In any event, if popa breaks a few of Homeowner’s windows because he had him towed, a) Homeowner has no proof popa did it b) popa’s car was gone before the windows were broken, so Homeowner wouldn’t even know popa’s license plate number.
“Only police can pull a license plate name.”
Just do a search and you’ll see many companies will supply that information. I had occasion to buy a used car and used the VIN (posted on the windshield registration) to see who owned the car previously.
As to breaking windows for revenge; I’d hate to see another Yid go before Judge Million justifying a stupid act.
HIE, Excuse me! What a ridiculous critic is it that even when sitting in the Car and making oneself ready to leave, the police are right?!
don’t you know that the streets were built in the Horse -and Wagon period?
It seems to be a m’idas s’dom from the city rather than non sense.
In other words. Don’t consider -Not acting -the same as bad action. Drivers are cornered enough from among the moving irresponsible.
You guys don’t seriously use your own real license plates, do you?
Besides, like TMB said, you can’t prove it was me. I don’t do it for revenge; I do it because otherwise people wouldn’t take my threats seriously.
RuffRuff, Thank you.
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