Dor Yeshorim in Girls High School

I love how nobody is even bothering to argue with popas ridiculous post abt childbirth. lol just wait till he watches his own wife in labor. I know lots of husbands who are in tears watching their wives suffer

“If men gave birth, they would do it at work and then continue working”

Ha! When men get even a tiny headache, they moan, take 5 Advil and go on bedrest. Contrary to popular man beliefs, women are the stronger sex.

cinderella -“Ha! When men get even a tiny headache, they moan, take 5 Advil and go on bedrest. Contrary to popular man beliefs, women are the stronger sex.”

As a med prof, I empathize with women during childbirth because it’s painful; even though I know of a Tzaddekes that doesn’t get any pain.

But your statement is far off the mark. I was once training as a student and a woman working who was my teacher got a migraine. She had all her other fellow workers crawling all over her like she was having a brain tumor. And mind you – almost every other pt. in the hospital ER was more serious than she was. Then she took the rest of the day off. She isn’t a nurse and neither am I. I’ve never seen a guy take off in such a situation. Esp. that she was able to give herself any drug she wants. Totally -the weaker gender!

cinderella -“take 5 Advil and go on bedrest.”

If anyone takes 5 they will end up in bedrest at the nearest ER.

Yes, I am an anesthesiologist, and have put in more epidurals than I have drunk bottles of beer.

That is weird. I am also an anesthesiologist, but I drink a bottle of beer every time I am working. So I have drunk exactly as many bottles of beer as I have done procedures.

Plus, I drank 2 bottles at each of my 3 sons’ sholom zochor, so I have drank (all procedures)+6 beers.

I never work on fast days, so don’t even go there.

If there are no men home, most women will deal with it themselves. With rats and mice, men just call the exterminator! 🙂

“That is weird. I am also an anesthesiologist,”

popa: talking to yourself?

yenting: How do you measure the x/10? Maybe each person is using a different x to report the same thing.

Health – I am more comfortable using a butterfly for blood draws. I am fairly new on the job and this works best for me. I guess this means I am incompetent. I would rather use a butterfly than torture my patients with a needle and vacutainer. So, until I gain competence, I will continue using a butterfly. I hope you are ok with that. Everyone has to start somewhere!

Yenta -“re bugs, mice, etc, BIG DEAL. I’ve had to deal with mice stuck on mouse traps, went to camp in the mts for 8 years and had to deal with bugs, frogs, and all other lovely stuff up there. the prob is fixed but last winter i was on my bed when i saw a mouse run from 1 corner to the other. and no i didn’t shreak bloody murder. i went and got a mouse trap along the wall. oh and I’ve dissected dead animals. good times :)”

And let’s say the mouse was walking next to you in the room -would you climb a chair & shriek?

“so its not fair to say 1 sex is more tolerant of pain than the other”

Of course it is. How many women get incapacitated around the same time of month, every month?

There is such a thing as an Amazon woman, but this ain’t the avg.!

hudi -“Health – I am more comfortable using a butterfly for blood draws. I am fairly new on the job and this works best for me. I guess this means I am incompetent.”

Nothing to be proud of.

“I would rather use a butterfly than torture my patients with a needle and vacutainer. So, until I gain competence, I will continue using a butterfly. I hope you are ok with that. Everyone has to start somewhere!”

You should have learnt both in school. Medicine is Not supposed to be OJT (On the Job Training). It might not even be your fault, but the fault of your instructors. And you should have never been hired until they observed all your techniques. It is Not proper to only use a butterfly, no matter how many people do it!

Btw, what is your profession or degree in?

Health- maybe the females you know are just the shrieking type, because you expect it from them and for you to be their ‘savior’.

I don’t know any women who have called a male neighbor to ‘save’ them. I do know many who have bought poison or traps to put down. And I know of some men who were grossed out by the dead critters and argued which should do it, until the females did it themselves :).

Don’t stereotype all women! Not any who would not climb on a chair and shriek (I can’t even imagine myself shrieking about a mouse, though perhaps being grossed out about cockroaches) are “Amazon women”

SaysMe -“Don’t stereotype all women!”

Not all, just most. I think I read an excerpt from DF from her book “Unorthodox” that she describes when she was in high school – she got up on her chair & screamed “mouse” and e/o followed without even seeing a mouse. So this freaking out about small animals is Not my imagination!

“I obviously think you’re wrong. How many women do you know that deal with bugs or mice/rats when they are indoors? Or do they scream -stand on chairs -and call for a man to deal with it?!?!”

Personally, I don’t care about mice or rats (what is scary about them?), but I have a huge insect phobia. So in E”Y, before I got married (when I was living alone), when I had roaches in the house a couple of times I managed to kill them on my own, being completely terrified. Killed them by using tons of insect spray (that STINKS) and drowning them in soap (much better but doesn’t always work for them).

Then, I always had to go out and find a neighbor to help me get rid of it. I cannot touch anything like that in any way, so if one got stuck somewhere where it would be impossible to remove it without lifting it up (once, for example, I had one killed in the sink) I had to get someone to help me. Can’t do it even using 30 layers of kitchen paper or anything like that.

Guess who came to my rescue…. the neighbor’s 12-year old daughter.

Nowadays I have my wife to take care of such things, if they should ever happen again. But we also have 3 cats, even better. Ever since the first cat joined the household, we never again suffered any trouble.

Yenta -“And if the mouse came that close I would kick it. Screaming won’t solve the problem.”

You are one of the few. (Tomboy perhaps?) Most would yell, scream & run.

“And pain I mentioned above? I get that every month. I could either stay in bed or I can get over it. Life doesn’t stop because I’m doubled over in pain. Does it take me a little longer to get stuff done and am I more quiet? Yes because my mental energy is elsewhere. But I have school and house duties that must be done. And besides, I’d rather be in pain but distracted than home in bed focused on a pain that’s not going anywhere for a couple of days.”

As a nursing student you should know about medical options to deal with this.

“I still think it’s unfair to say one sex is more tolerant.”

Unfair -what does this mean? Who decides this? And even if “unfair”, it’s still true!

“Isn’t it lookEd down upon for men to show emotions and perhaps men just hide pain better?”

I never hide my emotions and I definitely don’t hide my pain. Can’t speak for others.

“Women express feelings alittle more easily.”

And they tend to exaggerate more easily too.

“Would it be fair to say asians have less pain because they are more stoic and are taught showing pain is a negative?”

I’m not Asian.

“It’s all in how the person tolerates pain, not based on gender”

But the female gender mostly can’t tolerate pain, as opposed to most males!

TCG – I wish I did know one of his personalities in real life.

In one of his personalities -he is a single man. In another he is married with older girls. I’d like to know this personality because I’d like to get remarried and maybe he could give me a daughter of his.

Nu, how’d it go?

Health, first of all ,a migraine is way worse than a regular headache. Also, your mice example is totally irrelevant. I’m taking about pain. I admit, I have a massive phobia of spiders and anything else with more than 4 legs, but thats fear, not pain.

But take a woman for example. Every sngle month, we go through 3-5 days of cramps and headaches. During pregnancy, a woman is naseaus, in pain… And that’s for 9 months. Then, at the end of that, she has to push a baby out of her.

Now, lets look at a man. At 8 days old, he is circumcised. But that doesn’t count because you don’t remember it and it only happens once. And then, let me see… oh right. I believe that’s it.

So women are entitled to moan a little bit once a month. Men are not. Well, they a but that just makes them wimps. Suck it up, and be a man. Actually, I vote we change that to “Be a woman.”

I’m not looking for sympathy. Just agreement.

“there is medical help for the bad cases.”

So then according to your logic, anyone getting sick is no big deal because you can just pump yourself with painkillers.

“Noone is nauseous or/and in pain for most of the pregnancy, unless there is underlying pathology.”

But you cannot deny that there is a moderate level of discomfort. And a good amount of nausea and pain. For 9 months.

“You’re right again. Men never get conditions like gallstones, kidney stones or any other condition that causes pain.”

1) Women get this too. So just add this onto the female pain list.

2) Men don’t get these conditions every month. Neither do they have them for 9 months straight.

“So who decided women are entitled? I guess a woman?”

So you disagree?? Also, I don’t get your point.

“And who decided that if men complain that they are wimps? A woman?”

Yeah, but that’s irrelevant because a headache is a headache for males and females. You don’t see us complaining every time we get a headache or cramps or whatever. (see yentingyentas post)

And as to your coworker who went home because of a migraine. So? Just because women handle pain easier than men doesn’t mean they can’t sometimes complain and break down. The same way that sometimes, some men are able to hold back from making everyone around them serve them on hand and foot whenever they have a toothache.

To all those cute men that say that childbirth is soo simple; I challenge you to go through it just once. Let me know how it goes..

Regarding women Pushing you out of Gan eden, I believe Adam had a choice too.

PBA, no need for us to elaborate. I honestly think that for a man to sit there and spout off about childbearing and childbirth and whether or not it is painful, uncomfortable or anything else descriptive about it, other than to say that his wife was the most beautiful when she was pregnant with his child, is a total chutzpah. It is not anything that you can relate to, since you weren’t created to do it (I’ll not speak about the Pregnant Man). I was once two weeks after my due date, carrying a 9 pound plus baby, and my Rov had the ______ to tell me that I had no patience. I’m sure he has no idea how much resentment I still have to this day (the child is 14 years + now), especially since my husband uses his words like a loaded gun to this day. Until you stand in someone else’s shoes, do not judge them – and definitely don’t give your opinion about what it’s like in those shoes either.

Nechomah:

I had thought you were suggesting that I do experience it, as you said: I challenge you to go through it just once. Let me know how it goes... I didn’t know how else to read that statement.

You are instead saying that I should not speculate about something I cannot experience. I agree with you on that, that my ability to understand is limited on something which I have never experienced.

But, my (partially in jest) point was that it is very easy for women to claim it is so bad, since they know we cannot possibly dispute it, being unable to experience it.

And I was pointing out that among experiences that men are able to experience, you will find women insisting it is very hard, while men say it is a joke. Like doing the Dor Yeshorim test, for instance.

That’s all. If you want to be indignant, that was probably my purpose anyway.

PBA, I know that was your purpose, but I do think that no one can possibly judge how another person feels/experiences even things that the person himself has “experienced”. Two people are sick with the same virus, but each person experiences it differently, based on their personality as well as their physical makeup and strength. They can’t even compare notes since it’s like two different viruses. That’s what I mean “don’t judge a person until you stand in his shoes” – meaning to mean to experience a situation as if he were experiencing it because you are standing in his place. It’s totally not possible, even if you could, but since men can’t have babies, then we’re just talking circles.

By the way, I wasn’t the one who suggested you try having babies, cinderella was, but I didn’t take offense.

And yes, I do think that there are people, actually of both sexes, who will milk any situation for what it’s worth, and a pregnant woman will certainly raise her husband’s sympathies in untold ways since 1. he “caused” her situation, 2. it is “his” baby she is carrying, 3. he can’t do it instead, and probably most importantly, 4. GUILT.

I actually loved being pregnant and wish I could do it again, but I’d be afraid to at my age. That’s not to say that I didn’t complain when things bothered me. Yes, I had some nausea. Yes, the last few weeks were very tiring and difficult, but considering that all of my babies were big (I had a 10 lb. 14 oz. baby that I delivered without an operation) that’s not so surprising. Yes, I was happy to finally deliver them healthily into this world. But even with all of the aches and pains of bearing and birthing my children, I think the experience of being pregnant and the feeling of closeness to Hashem that it gave me while he created my baby inside of me was the most amazing experience and I would wish it on anybody who could safely do it.