Do you watch movies?

The films done by Zir Chemed are all female cast musicals based on goyish films and/or songs. There are about 6 of them– The lastest one came out a year or two ago, a sequel to The Little Princess, and called Happily Eva After.

pg 13 in tv ratings is tv pg

Halacha says one can not listen to “music”. Halacha does not say one can not have a website that streams music. I don’t think lifnei iver applies when A)there are many definitions of halachic “music”, and B) the person looking for music will get worse music elsewhere just as easily. As to movies and shemiras einayim, I was told by someone who I consider to be on a high level of prishus especially in regard to shmiras einayim that shmiras einayim is subjective. If a person is desensitized to a level of pritzus for whatever the reason, then a relatively smaller amount of pritzus would not be assur to look at. My own thoughts – Obviously one must work on oneself to increase sensitivity to eventually reach or strive for the level of etzba k’tana. Also, if one let themselves fall, and ruined their own sensitivity, if they were on the level where they should have been able to stop themselves and didn’t, they are liable for the level that they are currently on. That doesn’t mean it is assur for them now on a subjective level. This is the famous nekudas habechira concept(see michtav me’eliyahu 1). Rav Dessler writes that a highwayman who usually kills his victims after he robs them, and one time decides to rob without killing, can get schar for the objectively wrong act of theft. Moreover, that could be the purpose of his life, to get to that level. Similarly while objectifying an etzba ktana is objectively wrong, on a subjective level a person must identify their own level and work on increasing it. A person is not liable for anything above the range that they are in (provided they didn’t negligibly put themselves there).

Specifically with shmiras einayim where the issue is hirhur, one can easily be desensitized to many things.

As such, no one can say anything about any other person and al tadin es chaveircha ad shetagia limkomo (avos).

frumnotyeshivish-

Obviously one must work on oneself to increase sensitivity to eventually reach or strive for the level of etzba k’tana.

I’ve heard this before and I don’t get it. According to you Rav Acha and Rav Gidel weren’t worked on people??

It is interesting to point out, that in the two biggest movies of this year, Transformers 3 and Harry Potter 7 pt. 2, both of the lead actors are Jewish.

These movies are also both in the top 10 highest grossing movies of all time, and have both grossed in excess of one billion dollars already.

In fact, in transformers 3 (as well as 1 and 2), the lead actor, the director, and the producer – which are the three biggest jobs in a movie – are all jewish. (spielsberg, bay, and lebeoff)

Fry jews have had some astonishing success in this field.

interesting fact. never thought of it. isnt it sad though, look where they are putting their talents.

I’m 15 years old. I made a decision to stop watching movies last Rosh Hashana, and boruch Hashem, I haven’t slipped once.

I’m telling you, it’s worth the leap. Last summer I said to myself, “There’s no way I’m not going to watch movies. It’s not going to happen.” It happened. Now I have much more time, I can concentrate better in learning and davening, and I’m just in general a happier person.

If you’re on the fence, and you’re scared to make a final decision, try it for two weeks. Just two weeks! After that, try another. Eventually, you’ll get used to it, and after a while,it will become a non-issue for you.

pg 13 in tv ratings is tv pg

I don’t see how that’s relevant when we’re talking about two completely different productions. The PG-13 rated movie “Arhtur” has absolutely nothing in common with the TV show Arthur other than the title. The TV show is NOT an adaptation, derivative work or in any other way related to the movie. That being said, how the movie’s PG-13 rating translates into television ratings is utterly irrelevant.

The Wolf

frumnotyeshivish:

“Rav Dessler writes that a highwayman who usually kills his victims after he robs them, and one time decides to rob without killing, can get schar for the objectively wrong act of theft.”

Actually, if I’m not mistaken that’s a Gemora which R’ Dessler bases his whole yesod of nikudas ha’bechirah off of. Also, it’s not that the theif “can get schar for the objectively wrong act of theft”, it’s that he gets schar for not killing.

@ moskidoodle- that means there is a mod that watches movies as the mods write the subtitles- and they usually dont let you pick yours-

I watch and have no plans to stop.

quark2, correct me if I am mistaken, but I get the impression that the point of your question was not just an innocent survey, but in reality an act of justification. Either you or someone close to you has watched or watches movies, and you want to know if it is justified by the mere fact that others are doing this. This is not the way to look at things, regardless of whether what you are doing is kosher.

For what it’s worth I know many people, myself included, who are against movies but not secular books.

Also, many who are against movies are not necessarily against old movies like Mary Poppins. The quality of movies and TV has gone way down in recent years to a point where they have become assur as a general klal. This wasn’t always the case. I know many fine B’nei Torah who grew up with Mary Poppins, Disney movies, etc. They don’t watch TV anymore but have no problem talking about the old movies they used to watch or even watching them again if the proper situation presents itself.

Mikehall12382 glad to have another arguement with you 🙂 Abe is right, I didn’t choose ‘marry poppins’, I actually asked for ‘perfect in everyway’ and somehow ended up with this. Secondly, I did watch Mary Poppins and most Disney movies and loads of other ones up until a few years ago. And I am against movies because besides for the gross content, it is also a HUGE waste of time. Same goes for secular books – it’s an escape from the real world. I defnielty feel that people need to relax and need to have an outlet, however, I think that there are much better ones than sitting a wathcing a screen for 2 hours and coming out of it with absolutely nothing, except maybe bad eye sight and somethng to distract you while you’re concentrating on shmone esrei. If you go To Yerushalyim you will see loads of happy and healthy kids who do not even know what a TV is and manage to have fun regardless. I don’t think Im’ being extreme- I think I’ve come to the scary realization that life here is very short and can be taken away from us at any time, and we need to take advantage at every moment to be a better person and strengthen ourselves and others in our Avodas Hashem.

lovesbeingjewish…I agree movies and secular books are an escape from reality…but I don’t believe they are all Assur…some yes, but not all.