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Are you one of the many ???? ????? guys I see every day leaving shul early as we say ???? ?’ ???? at ???? when your ???? is to say it at ?????? Well shame on you. Do you not realize how much you disturb as you go out, how shul empties out? (and same for those ???? ???? guys who walk out by ?????).
It is ????? you know. Nothing will happen if you stay and say it!
Does it annoy you too? Or are you one of the people who go out… Please justify yourself.
It’s assur to publicly go against the minhag hamokem of the shul.
(Which is the same reason one must say Kedusha with the same Nusach of the shul.)
live and let live.
If they walk out, then they are not in the shul any more to be in conflict with minhag hamokom.
And in general, shev ve’al ta’aseh is different.
Shlishi: Not quite. That’s a separate issue of saying things are normally said out loud differently than the Tzibbur because it will cause confusion. Also, R’ Moshe writes elsewhere that there is no Lo Sisgod’du in places like New York because after all of the immigration it’s like Shtei Batei Dinim B’ir Achas and everyone knows it.
It’s assur to publicly go against the minhag hamokem of the shul.
I’m not so certain that not saying “L’Dovid” is considered “public” (as opposed to Kedusha, which by its very nature, is public). After all, when I daven in a Sefard shul, I still say “Hodu” after “Baruch Sheamar” — no one knows the difference anyway, so it’s not public. However, by tachanun on Monday/Thursday, I will do nefilas apaim with the tzibbur (before V’hu Rachum) rather than after (as is the custom in Minhag Ashkenaz) because my doing it different would be very public.
In any event, walking out early (whether you say it or not) is disrespectful and should not be done. Likewise, those who daven Nusach Sefard should not do so by Ma’ariv at an Ashkenaz minyan.
The Wolf
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