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“apy – you dont eat sushi for no reason, right?”
Because my wife doesnt make it, and I cant bring myself to buy it.
Jeans. I dont wear them 99% of the time because they dont fit in accordance with the dress code where I daven (the rav requests not to wear them to shul) and where I work. It is quite a hassle to change my pants several times a day so I put on a pair in the morning and that takes me through my day. On rare occasions, such as when I am painting the living room, or climbing up on the roof to clean away leaves or some similar activity, I wear jeans. So, in summary, I dont normally, but I would when necessary. If anyone felt that my wearing of jeans was making a statement, that is there problem, not mine.
yita, apy – So the answer is yes you do wear jeans, Not always but sometimes. You don’t have to wear them 24-7 in order to be considered “wearing jeans” the questioun is fo you or dont you, and I guess you do, obviously in ceratin scenarios you wont, to yeshiva, to shul, to bed, to a wedding… But otherwise you would.
Exactly. I just used different words.
there is nothing wrong with jeans black or blue. there is nothing wrong with black pants and white shirts. the material or color of clothing has nothing to do with the type of Jew or level of observance. Any arguments to the contrary are just silly….
Yita – So this proves that this thread makes no sense. The thread title is do you, or would you wear jeans. The question should be Do you wear jeans. What does it mean “would you?” Its either you do or you dont! No?
“Would you?”
I know people who don’t wear jeans because they don’t own a pair and wouldn’t bother investing in a pair because they wouldn’t wear it enough. But they aren’t against wearing them and if given a pair, they would.
real-brisker, No, because people like me don’t see it as a bad statement, even though practically we generally don’t wear them. That’s the point I was trying to convey.
i do…but only dark wash (skirts of course), i think faded and bleached is so tacky
real-brisker…
It DOES make sense to ask DO you or WOULD you.
It may be that someone DOES not wear (or even own) jeans right now, because he is away at yeshiva or in other circumstances where he can NOT wear them. However if and when he will be in different circumstances (next summer, next year, or whenever) then SOMETIMES (obviously not constantly) he WILL wear jeans.
So, when YOU say the question SHOULD be “DO you wear jeans?” the answer to that question would NOT necessarily reflect one’s attitude about wearing them, it would ONLY answer if one wears them NOW (in their present matzav). To know IF one WOULD wear them, if/when they will be in a different matzav, which IS the question that needs to be asked if we are trying to find out if people think there is anything INHERENTLY wrong with it, you DO have to ask (not only DO YOU, but also) WOULD YOU?
its not that jeans are indicative of religious level. obviously, mike, if someone were to bring an argument about the fabric of clothing as an indicator of frumkeit level (aside from shaatnez, of course)that would be silly. the reason why this is even a discussion is because the association and affiliation of jeans (i personally think skirts are different here than pants, but thats my own opinion, others might disagree)is what concerns some in the yeshiva world. “yeshivish” people associate with the black and white “penguin” look crowd–its not that wearing that uniform makes them more frum, but it definitely provides affiliation. someone who identifies as yeshivish, yet wears jeans, is making a statement. its not a problem with the jeans; people just need to understand that they are choosing to deviate from what is considred normal by yeshivish standards.
also, i think some people will say that jeans is not a refined look, so they try to stay away. meaning, most “chashuv” rabbonim would not wear jeans, even when doing physical labor. if someone chooses to wear jeans from the practical standpoint (as wolf claims) that is also fine, but they just need to realize that they may look to others as wearing a more casual, coarse look than may be accepted by the yeshivish crowd.
its all a matter of affiliation. its not inherently wrong. the association that comes with it is what is confusing to some.
AOM – Even if someone only wears jeans in the summer its still called wearing jeans, thus being the question is do you wear jeans? And even the person that only wears them in the summer will answer yes, because he does. The question is NOT are you wearing jeans right now. Rather the question is in general if you wear jeans or not.
sjs you can get a pair in walmart, black or blue for less than 15 dollars
real-brisker…
and if I don’t even wear jeans in the summer.
and if I don’t even own jeans right now.
and if I haven’t worn jeans in 15 years.
and if I don’t even expect to wear jeans in the near future,
BUT…
IF in a few years I moved out of this city to a place where wearing jeans was more the norm, I WOULD wear jeans because I don’t feel there’s is anything, in principle, wrong with it!
SO, AGAIN, the question is NOT (only) DO I wear jeans, but the IKAR question is WOULD I wear them, I.E. is there anything INHERENTLY WRONG with wearing them.
sadly the world bases everything on chitzoniyus so although there is nothing inherently wrong with wearing jeans, ppl view it as bad in the non modern orthodox frum community. however in other circles it is totally fine. But now that there is a bad association with wearing jeans i dont think u shud.
black jeans dont really have a bad association so there is nothing wrong with them
i never really understood why ppl are so obs3essed with jeans are they that comfortable??
AOM – The answer is simple – YES YOU WEAR JEANS, (whenever its the right time and place)
I am fairly certain the Avos did not wear suits when they herded their sheep. Oh wait – Brooks Brothers wasn’t invented yet.
chayav: This obsession is what led to the decision I mentioned in my earlier post about “es mizb’chosehem titotzu”
Jeans styles are more vulnerable to the fashion industry than other more traditional types of pants, and so in jeans you may see the washed out look, fringed bottoms, low waists, even some that are sold with outright holes in the legs in the name of fashion!!!!
Ezrat: So? I wear jeans almost half the time and I’ve never owned a pair with deliberately placed holes.
If people bought their boys jeans they wouldn’t have to worry about holes in the knees all the time. Much more rugged.
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