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Do you have separate glasses for meat and dairy, or do you use mugs for dairy, or plastic cups?
When I saw this thread I thought it was going to be about the shaila about stirring your coffee (with milk) and your chicken soup with different sides of the same pair of glasses.
It is an old shaila that was talked about in the sefer “Dira Days’. The question us if you entirely different pairs of glasses when you stir the coffee and instant chicken soup, or are the different temples enough.
Do frum familes, almost all of whom have small children (or grandchildren visiting) actually use drinking utensils made of glass? For most people the shailoh will never arise.
There are some communities that do use glassware, and would allow having milk from it one meal, rinsing it out (but not kashering it), and then having chicken soup out of it. Most people would insist on not mixing milkig and fleishig utensils regardless of what they are made of.
we just have Shabbos cups, during the week we use plastic
Congratulations, avi e, you have just set the women’s movement back 100 years. Women will never be the same as men. Never.
I thought everyone has a seperate set of cups for milichegs and fleishigs.
akuperma- most the frum families with lil kids i know DO use glass cups actually. And have plastic for the ones under 2 or 3 or 4 depending on the family and on the kid!
We have both separate glasses and mugs for meat and dairy
No.
It’s not necessary. Glass doesn’t absorb so you can drink milk in a glass cup,wash it out with soap and water,and drink your juice out of the same cup with a meat meal. The same goes for glass dishes,but only clear, uncolored glass. If it has a color then it must be either only dairy or meat.
We have a set of glass mugs and a set of fancy glass cups that are both dairy and meat,but the mugs that match our china sets are strictly meat or dairy.
I will go one step further,that according to Hacham Ovadia Yosef, those aforementioned clear,uncolored glass cups and dishes used a whole year for both meat and dairy,may be washed very well and scrubbed to make sure there is no residue and they may be used for Pesach.
It’s no wonder so many people in the CR can’t write properly. They can’t read!
WIY posted: Do you have separate glasses for meat and dairy, or do you use mugs for dairy, or plastic cups?
That is not a halachic shailah. It is a survey question.
Most people have not been answering the survey. They have been stating halacha (or making jokes).
For those who didn’t get it, WIY posted again: THIS ISNT A HALACHIC QUESTION PER-SE I AM JUST ASKING WHAT PEOPLE USE IN THEIR HOMES! I DONT MEAN TO SCREAM BUT I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO BOLD!
Still, people are stating halacha instead of answering the question.
1) LEARN TO READ! (And I do mean to shout!)
2) My answer to the survey question is (separate) plastic for everything.
3) To WIY: To make things bold:
<strong>thing you want bold</strong>I only use plastic cups and we throw out after each use so then yes I would use sep cups for milchig and fleishig lol
Wow haifagirl! Impressive post! You should join the CR more often!
How do you get away with it though? I’ve found many members become deeply offended if their spelling/ grammar/ general incomprehensibility is pointed out. We could definitely use someone like you around here!
Myself included…
We have one set of glasses that are used for milchig and fleishig meals. Little kids get special plastic cups.
Nope owe use the same glasses for Meat and Dairy…Just have seperate ones for shabbat but thats totally different thing, that for kavod shabbat…Y dont u ask ur rabbi?
Depends on the dishwasher. If she is up to it glasses for supper and mugs for tea or coffee. If not, styrofoam for hot and plastic for cold and they get tossed when done.
There is no need for separate glassware, from the standpoint of halacha. If there is any metal (i.e., gold plating or stainless steel design) on the glass, it probably would become an issue, but as I have never had that type of glassware, I am not sure, so ask your LOR. I rarely use real glassware, but have cups. I have completely separate fleighig and milchig ceramic mugs for coffee and tea.
Wow haifagirl! Impressive post! You should join the CR more often!
How do you get away with it though? I’ve found many members become deeply offended if their spelling/ grammar/ general incomprehensibility is pointed out. We could definitely use someone like you around here!
Myself included…
I get away with it because I am “Chief of Grammar Enforcement Commandos.” 🙂
Nope. We just use beer glasses for everything.
We use seperate sets for dairy and meat because we have two dishwashers, one milchig and one fleishig
“we have two dishwashers, one milchig and one fleishig”
We also have two dishwashers, only ours are classified, male and female.
We use seperate sets for dairy and meat because we have two dishwashers, one milchig and one fleishig
You need separate dishwashers for meat and dairy???
OK, George and Walter will handle the meat dishes and Wilma will handle the dairy dishes. 🙂
The Wolf
i would like to weigh in on this one.
i have one set of glasses that i use all day long.
they are very expensive, cost me over 300 dollars.
they are progressive lenses. i dont see any reason why i should have any other glasses whether i eat milchig , fleishig, pareve or pesachdik.
do others here have seperate glasses based on what they are eating?
There is certainly room to be machmir.
With all due respect(honestly), rude and condescending posts, regardless of whether or not their content is accurate, are equally if not more disturbing to me than misspelled posts are to you (all) but there are ways of saying so. . .
Regarding the OP – I don’t have any glasses, I broke them all over time and opted for plastic replacements.
Wolf – and you? how did you get out of dish-duty?
Wolf – and you? how did you get out of dish-duty?
Simple… Eees and I did them before the kids were old enough. Now it’s their turn. 🙂
The Wolf
WIY-you absolutely 100% can wash meat and dairy dishes at the same time in the same dishwasher. I have spoken to rabbis about this. The reason you are allowed is the dishwashing detergent makes a p’gam to any leftover food particles and even a dog wouldn’t want to eat that…it may be better to be machmir and not wash them at the same time, but it is definitely mutar.
That may be child labor.
You’re free to call the cops if you think I’m violating child labor laws.
(Besides, one of them is over 18 — so there’s definitely no issue of child labor.)
The Wolf
esther – I wouldn’t say absolutely. Our rav definitely does not allow one dishwasher to be used for milchik and fleishik even NOT at the same time. There are other opinions on this.
Depends if the drinks are hot. Fairly simple.
WIY: I’m shocked that you’d say that. R’ Moshe is Machmir on this. (YD 1:36 if I recall correctly; it’s somewhere around there.)
Esthermalka: That’s true for Sefardim but the Rama rejects the concept that soap is Pogem.
Glass is made from sand, and would therefore seem to be in the same Halachic category as earthenware (which is super-absorbent and cannot be kashered). On the other hand, the resultant glass vessel is hard and smooth – unlike earthenware – which would indicate that it is non-absorbent, and would therefore never need to be kashered.
Glass is a difficult material to classify Halachically, because it shares its origin with one class of material, but has physical characteristics that differ from items of that class.
Because of these unusual characteristics, there are a few different opinions in Jewish Law concerning glass dishes:
Rav Yosef Karo rules that you can use glass for both milk and meat, and just rinse them off in between.
Rav Moshe Isserlish writes that glass is like earthenware, and it is therefore forbidden to use the same dishes for both meat and milk.
There is a third opinion that holds that glass is absorbent, but that it can be kashered through the process of “hagala” (immersion in boiling water).
Sephardic Jews rule according to Rav Yosef Karo, and therefore use glass dishes for both meat and milk, while Ashkenazic Jews conduct themselves according to the opinion of Rav Moshe Isserlish, therefore refraining from the use of glass dishes for both. But, because there are different opinions regarding the Halacha, there is room for leniency in cases where extenuating circumstances exist (for instance, a Ba’al Teshuvah who is going for a family visit where the kitchen is not kosher, but glass utensils are used).
As such, glass used as a “kli rishon” is not to be used for both meat and dairy. Turntables in the microwave cannot be used for both meat and dairy.
By the way, everyone mentioning glass vs metal and hot vs cold is ignoring a Taz (Shach) in Yoreh De’ah that says you need separate cups for milk and meat because sometimes some Mamashus of food gets left on the cup from your lips. Pashtus is that nowadays when we clean our dishes much better it’s not so Shayach, but it definitely is something to keep in mind and be Machmir on if you can afford it, especially if you don’t put your cups in the dishwasher.
Yes. That way I can use both on the same 3 day Yom Tov without washing them.
I have glasses for distance, glasses for reading, trifocals just because, and cheapie cheaters from the drug store. After enough l’chaims, I don’t care whether it’s dairy or not!
Just don’t try it with your contact lenses.
WIY: No, that’s aside. R’ Moshe says no even separately.
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