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Pardon my lack of absolutely perfect grammar, but I will attempt to convey my feelings, and seek your opinion, nevertheless.
I am not asking these questions out of morbidity and depression. I just feel that most discussion on religious matters seem to take on a surreal unearthly quality.
I think the second post Joseph wrote, is exactly what the write is alluding to!
Joseph,
Your point might be a
good one, but written a little bit too cheesy. Judging from the way you often respond to posters you dont agree with, its hard to believe that you would ever actually write a piece like that!
Here’s MY question:
If leider’s message is so weak and baseless, why are people commenting with pseudonyms? If everyone is so sincere, why not just post with your real names?
LeiderLeider…
I only try to get a smile 🙂
BTW, is the screen name a reference to Schubert?
Nameless: The name states what I feel about some of the posts here. I am just trying to broaden my view of the current frum olam by hearing from both sides, and sometimes try to inject some humor into what denegrates into a screaming match. I also don’t want people comming over during davening to talk about my post! 🙂
Once (Shidduch Crisis) (may be more) I saw the poster leading themselves into a bad situation, and had to say something serious.
BTW Joseph, I am still waiting for your response on that post. And your message here is why pizzas shouldn’t tell Jokes! 🙂
Broker, And you once again are short of a passing grade of what we mentioned above: Dan Lkav Zchus!
LeiderLeider, well said, and ouch, the truth hurts, doesn’t it? You hit it on the head, good for you. However, I would give the benefit of this doubt to Joseph, he seems to truly believe in what he says. So do I. I disagree with him most of the time, but that is irrelevant for this purpose. To Joseph, shame on you, it is Dan Lekaf Zchus, kaf being the receptacle on the scales (moznayim) which zchus and chova are measured. It is not Lekav (line) zchus. But giving you the benefit of the doubt, maybe it was a typo.
Leider Leider-
You have to drei zich in the right places. There are plenty of groups of chassidishe yidden who despise truly olam hazeh and yearn with their heart and soul for kirvas elokim. Im tvakshenah Kazahav… (my boss is coming)
I truly believe that most of what I do, I do with my heart, not to pretend. Then again, a chassid from Boro Park might not consider me as religious as him/her… maybe some things should be done for the mitzva and not for the competition to be holier than thou…..you might feel more sincere in your observance that way…..???
Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. God knows our true intentions. Besides, I remember learning the phrase “MITOCH SHELO LISHMAH, BA LISHMAH” …so either way I think it’s a good thing.
LeiderLeider:
The only person you can write about with any authority is yourself. Don’t speak for other people. What can you possibly know about a person based only on some comments or a post on a website? This has nothing to do with trying to ignore a real question, but please, confine your speculations about hypocrisy to yourself.
LeiderLeider…
In order to be a leaderleader, one might find it useful to get off one’s soapbox and look “deep inside” and do some real thinking – not superficial thinking”. And I mean this sincerely. Really, really sincerely. I also “agree with what [I’m] writing”.
But I did agree with the “I will end my confused post” part. And also the “please spare us the rhetoric” part.
I am also certain of your sincerity, and hope that perhaps you soon will realize that the part about “I appreciate your admonition. Guilty as charged. Now that we have established this and I pled guilty, let’s get this out of the way” is truly, really, a startlingly deficient role model for introspection.
I further hope that you will realize that your assertion that “Most people I know within my Chassidishe community (Borough Park) go through life from beginning to end as one big fake fraudulent charade” is “not nice” (finger wagging). Truly.
Next time, perhaps you might be best off opening a topic on translation of a Mussar Sefer, so that we may all learn. Without badmouthing your neighbors, and making sweeping claims about the rest of humanity (or perhaps only posters). I know that you looked deep inside before you made the generalization about your community, and that you sincerely and truly feel that most of your neighbors, shopkeepers, service people, family, and friends in your community are all one big fake fraudulent charade. Keep on looking; you’ll get there.
Sincerely and unrhetorically yours.
LeiderLeider:
“I appreciate your admonition. Guilty as charged. Now that we have established this and I pled guilty, let’s get this out of the way.”
You appear to have contradicted yourself. First, you accuse all Jews of being insincere by not reflecting on their own behavior and then you tell me that my criticism of you is on point but just “let’s get it out of the way”. Where is YOUR chesbon Hanefesh?
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