Do rebbes go to college?/Yeshivish job options?

I know what a pathologist is. I’m just saying that the years of medical school and training notwithstanding, it fits the discription of a “yeshivish job.” The hours are relatively good, the pay is nice, you sit in front of a microscope most of the day so there are few tznius problems, and you’re helping others. I’m not saying that it’s the right job for everyone (or anyone!), but you have to admit that it seems to meet all of the criteria.

I suppose a radiologist would also be similar, but pathology seems to have even less human interaction so less potential tznius problems.

From that perspective, becoming a research scientist/professor would probably be better (besides perhaps for the pay)- that way you don’t have to deal with med school and any stuff that comes with it.

But that’s not a decision people often make- “I don’t know what I want to be, hey, I’ll start the 10-12 year path toward a career as a pathologist because it has good hours.” People often don’t pick their specialties until the last year of med school.

Just saying that maybe it works but it’s a super random suggestion.

You can get a BA in Science and Math? I believe that would be called a BS.

(Source: I have a BS in Math)

“Airplane pilot, baker, diamond merchant, mail carrier, insurance claims adjuster, salesman, mechanic, bus driver, factory supervisor, power plant operator, etc.”

About half of these jobs create serious Chilul Shabbos problems. Power plants and transportation do not shut down at Friday sunset.

A Power Plant need to operate on Shabbos as there are plenty of people who need the power for Pikuach Nefesh, from Hospitals and nursing homes, to people who have oxegen (and need to charge the batteries for them) and other medical devices one could not live without

Power plants and transportation do not shut down at Friday sunset.

True, but that doesn’t mean that every worker must work on Shabbos. I’m positive that they work in shifts.

The Wolf

Writersoul..

“Liberal arts colleges are not authorized to offer BSs.”

WRONG….don’t generalize.

MT St Mary College, of which I posted earlier, because a non-Jewish friend is a Professor there is a Liberal Arts College in New York State that offers BS degrees….40 % of undergraduates get a BS in nursing.

Syag…………

Thanks for asking. They want to do surgery Thursday, daughter’s chasunah is next Sunday, trying to stabilize situation enough to put surgery off til next Monday. They did a minor procedure Friday, hoping to effect a reasonable delay.

Our children do not know what’s going on as we don’t want to take away from the prechasunah joy. B”H our two youngest daughters have taken charge of all the bridal activities leading up to the chasunah and have told wife and future mother in law to sit back and watch, let the youngster do the work.

Seriously considering going to our place in Florida for Pesach and ordering all the food from a caterer…immediate family only..so wife can rest and recuperate.

Josh, the reality in the US of A is that the law mandates reasonable accommodation of their sincerely held religious beliefs, including precluding work on their day of rest.

The reality is also that both ConEd and the MTA employ a significant number of observant Jews in a broad array of positions that require 24/7 coverage, including bus drivers, train conductors and power plant operators, and permit them not only to take off every Shabbos but to leave early enough to prepare for Shabbos b’kavodik.

I assume that when you say, “starting a business”, you mean something like the suggestion below from the Yeshiva University Java Programming page. Besides a business plan and an adviser, a business owner should definitely get some training of some kind.

Microsoft Virtual Academy offers C# training for free. Completing the Certification tests together with some code samples from a real website will probably get you a temp job where you can prove yourself.

“Computer Programming

The financial crisis has only strengthened the need for people trained in computer programming and business management. Java was developed by James Gosling in 1990, at Sun Microsystems. C# combines the robustness of C++ with the advanced features of Java. C# language is used with Visual Studio IDE. If you are writing a web-based application in ASP.NET, you will be required to code in C# or VB for the backend.

To land a management position in the computer industry, you’ll need the right technical training program for the job. Computer programming is full of employment prospects because of emerging technologies, and the growth of the internet. A given website’s success is governed by two factors, visitor traffic and online sales conversions. Think about the type of online business that you want to start, and then build an e-commerce website using a template or HTML, adding a database and programming routines.

The easiest way to start is by generating database-driven pages, and monetize your traffic with Google Adsense. You can drive targeted visitors to your site at a reasonable cost by learning search engine optimization (SEO) techniques, or buying paid traffic through Adwords. You can also make money with affiliate programs, or charge monthly membership fees, if making either iPhone or Android apps. Just web page design and layout isn’t enough, if no-one can find it in Google’s search results. You’ll also need online marketing skills, and the ability to drive conversions.”

Which of them recommended it to their talmidim?

During the 1940s, Schneerson became a naturalized US citizen and, seeking to contribute to the war effort, he volunteered at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, using his electrical engineering background to draw wiring diagrams for the battleship USS Missouri (BB-63), and other classified military work.

I know many Chabad men who went to college and graduate schools earning doctoral degrees using them in business, industry and as professional educators.

In New Haven, where I grew up The Rebbe sent Rabbi, Dr. Maurice I Hecht to start the yeshiva during WWII. The previous Rebbe knew the importance of sending a man with full academic credentials when opening a school in a community containing Yale University. Rabbi Dr. Hecht was considered on equal status with non-Frum Congregation ‘rabbis’ such as Rabbi Dr Robert Goldburg and Rabbi Dr Arthur A Chiel. When money for a yeshiva,day school, camps, etc has to be raised from the Jewish community as a whole and the Menahel has to appear and speak in many public forums, being fully educated and polished with the title Dr. is important.

CTLAWYER: You’re right, I overgeneralized.

newbee: That’s true, but I mean the kind of utopian job mentioned in the OP. Like there are pros and cons to every job, but a perfect job like that would be glutted. For example, my dad works in computers. He got into it when they were programming on cards, but about ten or so years after he started, computers became the hot thing. Everyone saw it as an amazing job where you earned loads with only a bachelor’s degree and had normal hours. So they would fire experienced people in favor of recent college grads who would work for half the money, and then they would fire the college grads in favor of workers in India or the Philippines who would work for a quarter of the money.

writersoul

I come from a long line of business and or professional people who went to Yeshiva plus college and graduate schools.

My family arrived in the USA between 1868 and 1872. I’m 5th generation American born and my parents and grandparents all had college degrees. My children do as well.

This didn’t stop us from being frum. BUT, we mostly don’t live in overpopulated frum areas with limited opportunities to earn a good living. You want to stay in that self imposed ghetto? Then opportunities are more limited. BTW>>>when you get away from those areas the Gentile community is much more understanding and accommodating to Shabbos/Yuntif needs and schedules. Note: I said Gentile, not goiysche…treat them with respect and you get respect back. This is not like the antisemites left behind in Europe.

Most people going to Brooklyn College learning about why its great to be an atheist and the communist manifesto are not next in line to inherit a Rabbinic Dynasty.

there are lots of good reason’s why someone shouldn’t go to college or should be very careful where they go. but when you just make up random statements that aren’t reality based, it takes away the validity of the rest of your point.

as an aside – when my daughter chose a field that required her to go to college (with daas torah, someone very connected to the field who knows all sides) her mentor’s from seminary said that while in college she should make sure to attend one or two shiurim a week WITHOUT FAIL! You either attend a small shiur where you are seen and connected, or make a weekly appointment with a mentor/michaneches. Now, as she finishes, her menaheles (the one who gives the shiur) told me that her ability to hold to the schedule no matter what was going on was amazing and unusual. And my daughter said that if you can’t follow thru, you need to think very carefully about secular college.

But that wasn’t because of atheism or anything else, it was the influences of non-jews, the language, the stories they share etc. and this was with her being in an all girls program (by chance) and spending 3 days a week in hospitals, not classes.

College isn’t always the wrong choice, but don’t take it for granted that your strong ties can withstand a very stressful college career.

Some of us have the mind and family capital for business.

For most of the rest of us attractive options include YU, Touro, night college while learning during the day, living at home in a Jewish community and going to college during the day. For all these options a focus on a major that one has the aptitude for and is interested in and leads to good job makes sense.

Those jobs with lower barriers to entry (… OT/PT/Speech

I’m guessing you never took those boards…

Those jobs with lower barriers to entry (… OT/PT/Speech

I’m guessing you never took those boards…

Nope. Judging by the NBCOT pass rate for Masters OT programs in NY (90%+ for everyone!!!), OT boards (as an example) can’t possibly be difficult. Even if they are, they don’t create a barrier to entry.

Gavra……….

don’t confuse Accountant with CPA. Many accountants don’t have degrees and pass exams, they work for private firms,

Good point, but I (personally) would describe the position as a bookkeeper or maybe a comptroller. That (seemingly) requires connections (to people with firms (real estate?) who have that need) vs. the certification.

Out of curiosity, would you say your nephew makes more, less or the same as a CPA working for a top 100 firm?

What are the percentages for actuarial boards?

Also, not sure percentages reflect difficulty. Say 90% passed Dirshu’s exams – that doesn’t mean it’s easy, and a huge percentage of the overall population would fail.

43.3% for the first (easiest?) exam from the Society of Actuaries (as per their website, latest exam). There are many exams, someone who is in the field could tell you more.

As I said, even if the exams are difficult, they don’t create a barrier to entry, which is the consideration being discussed. I can’t speak for Dirshu or their “pass” rates.

now that i think about it your way, judging by how many people sit in BMG, i would have to say learning gemara all day is a no brainer as well

gaw – wow, pretty insulting comment.

Don’t mean to insult, but the field IS saturated. (shrug) OT/PT/Speech are the fields of choice for Bais Yaakov girls, and they seem to get into programs. From the outside, and knowing girls (and guys) who have done it, they aren’t difficult fields to get into.

If you could give me specific figures (for example, 70% of those who enter the program fail out before the boards, or 50% of those who want to get into a program don’t get into any program because they fail the entry exam), I’m all ears (to quote Mickey Mouse and H. Ross Perot). Until then, a 90%+ pass rate is a formality.

I can’t speak for Dirshu or their “pass” rates.

I think you missed my point.

A high pass rate doesn’t mean there isn’t an entrance barrier; that barrier may very well be long before the stage of taking exams.

“A simple example is Blockbuster video stores who were killed by Netflix. Walmart is getting killed by Amazon.”

Ummm…..If I could only fail like Walmart and Blockbuster! When my business goes bust after many successful years I can retire as billionaire or start a new business with all the money I saved in the bank.

Get a mentor, a financial adviser, perhaps look into buying an already existing and established business from someone looking to retire. Have a little bitachon. That 150k+ will be better spent that way opposed to learning how great atheism and communism is while going for a BA in some college.

Ummm…. thats LITERALLY what we learned about when I was in college. Along with lots of other material I would never need to know in life.

As one of my Rabbaim (who went to College for a semester or two) used to say, Clown U. 🙂

Obviously it depends on where you go, and if you focus on a goal (and not partying or English Lit).