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May 10, 2020 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1858857always runs with scissors fastParticipant
Literally
May 10, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1859144☕️coffee addictParticipantWelcome back
Can you please reword your question
May 10, 2020 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1859151Reb EliezerParticipantDescartes, I think, therefore I exist. Hashem gave us the ability to think, our freedom of choce, not being a robot, which also proves according to him His existence.
May 10, 2020 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1859228interjectionParticipantIf you don’t exist, then what?
May 10, 2020 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1859302n0mesorahParticipantYou do not exist, outside of you not asking yourself if you exist.
May 10, 2020 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #1859359Little FroggieParticipantGood to know you’re still around…. y’know, these days….
כל הנשמה תהלל ה
כל נשימה ונשימהAnd we see it, literally.
May 11, 2020 12:58 am at 12:58 am #1859378Avi KParticipantRE, don’t put Descartes before de horse.
May 11, 2020 9:02 am at 9:02 am #1859453Reb EliezerParticipantAvi K. can you elaborate what you mean? I said he proves the existence of Hashem similar to Plato from the existence of a soul and the world of ideas.
May 11, 2020 9:04 am at 9:04 am #1859458paktypeParticipantYou exist in two different ways – as the main character in your own life but only as a side character in everyone else’s.
Every being on the face of the Earth lives in his, her and it’s own universe. None of us perceive life and each other in exactly the same way. When a person dies, that person’s universe dies too.
May 11, 2020 9:29 am at 9:29 am #1859483Reb EliezerParticipantChakespeare said, the world is a stage and we are all actors. This reminds us about Plato’s allegory of the cave. People see shaddows on the wall in a cave about things happening behind them. They see only the wall, so they think that this is reality.
May 11, 2020 10:19 am at 10:19 am #1859494Reb EliezerParticipantSome corrections above Shakespeare and shadow.
May 21, 2020 10:36 am at 10:36 am #1863014CSParticipantThe only true existence is Hashem, as we say ain od milvado. Not just that there is no other god or power aside from Hashem, but there is nothing else that exists at all. The only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce as it says ki imcha mekor chaim. See shaar hayichud vhoemuna of Tanya for more understanding on this or ask. Luckily a very real part of your identity is the part of Hashem within you, and that really does exist. The yetzer hara part of your identity is just an illusion which will eventually be revealed as fraud. Hope this helps
May 21, 2020 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1863373n0mesorahParticipantDear Cs,
These two together do not sit well with me.
1) “only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce”
2)”very real part of your identity” and “part of your identity is just an illusion”
Each view by itself is fine. The two together, give off some strange implications.May 31, 2020 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1866201skripkaParticipantBARTENDER: “Do you think it’s gonna rain?”
DESCARTES “I don’t think..” [Disappears]
June 1, 2020 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1866271n0mesorahParticipantSeems more like Nietzsche to me.
June 5, 2020 8:18 am at 8:18 am #1868228skripkaParticipantDescartes said “I think, therefore I am”. If he doesn’t think, he no longer exists
June 5, 2020 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1868348n0mesorahParticipant“I do not think” is a loaded statement for any philosopher. Here is how it would play out in the hypothesis of determining who is thinking. [The joke is the same.]
Descartes: So what ascertains your existence?
Nietzsche: You being yourself remains undetermined.June 9, 2020 8:26 am at 8:26 am #1869475CSParticipantNomesora
“ Dear Cs,
These two together do not sit well with me.
1) “only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce”
2)”very real part of your identity” and “part of your identity is just an illusion”
Each view by itself is fine. The two together, give off some strange implications.”Well if both are true, they are also true together, they just require understanding to understand HOW. I’m actually currently in the process of understanding these deep concepts myself and bringing it down into practical life but there’s mounds of learning you can do on this- it’s explained in Chassidus, and of course the sources are in Nigle as well because it’s one Torah.
The basics of the understanding I have now (obviously much depth etc and there’s a lot more for me to learn now as well) is that the “I” of a yid is really Hashem, that’s the real me. And the way to access it and reveal it through all the parts of me that cover it up, (my body, my animal soul personality, my G-dly soul personality etc) and to harmonise and unite all of them, is by following Torah and mitzvos. The more I live my life according to Torah and mitzvos in thought speech and action, the better life I have because the more I bring out the true me, which is one with Hashem, into all the aspects of my personality and life.
We see that every yid acts this way instinctively, realising and attributing everything they do to Hashem, and this isbecause it’s all Hashem working through them.
Hope this is clear. Feel free to ask questions or for examples, just don’t want to overload info.
June 9, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1869531MistykinsParticipant“I think, therefore I am”
Sorry, but you only have to turn on your news channel or look out the window to find plenty of people who do not think, yet still exist.
June 9, 2020 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1869537WolfishMusingsParticipantI definitely exist.
I think it is literally impossible for someone as horrible as I to have been the product of someone’s imagination.
The Wolf
June 9, 2020 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #1869626Reb EliezerParticipantWolf, maybe the opposite is true? The fact that there is a good person like you proves that you exist.
June 9, 2020 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #1869695WolfishMusingsParticipantWolf, maybe the opposite is true? The fact that there is a good person like you proves that you exist.
Thank you for the kind words, but your premise is incorrect.
The Wolf
June 9, 2020 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1869771Reb EliezerParticipantWolf, אין אדם משים עצמו רשע we don’t trust him.
June 10, 2020 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #1870002n0mesorahParticipantDear Mistykins,
If we are using that meaning of think. then just turning on the news is in itself the same proof. Alternatively, we could reassure ourselves that the subjects of todays storylines do not exist.June 10, 2020 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1870005n0mesorahParticipantDear Wolf,
That is great for you, but it would follow that you are cruel enough that my entire existence is a mere figment of your imagination.June 16, 2020 10:42 am at 10:42 am #1873035NerliParticipantWhat triggered this question? And yes it is a loaded one re kabbalah and chassidus
June 17, 2020 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1873474Shopping613 🌠ParticipantNo, there’s a 13.5% chance you may be a bot.
May 8, 2022 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #2084627n0mesorahParticipantDear Cs,
What do you mean by “your identity”? If I see that it is all Hashem working through me, what them is my identity? I’m just seeing Hashem’s activity. Where would I see myself? I can’t see myself where I see Hashem.
May 9, 2022 7:28 am at 7:28 am #2084720☕️coffee addictParticipantWhat made you dig up a 2 year old thread?
I don’t even think cs posts here anymore
May 9, 2022 8:33 am at 8:33 am #2084774GadolhadorahParticipantNot any longer unless I figure out how to recover a deleted poster from my trash bin.
May 9, 2022 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2084819n0mesorahParticipantDear Coffee,
Exactly that. I read through the chabad thread. Also, I left before I answered this query.
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