Discouraging Making Aliyah: Satmar Rebbe in France

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  • #1311626
    Lightbrite
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    If someone from the French Satmar community makes aliyah, who becomes thay person’s Rebbe? Does he/she or do they defer to a/the Satmar Rebbe in Israel?

    Would said Satmar Rebbe be upset or disappointed that the person didn’t abide by the Satmar Rebbe of France’s decree?

    Thank you ☺

    Satmar Rebbe To Jews In France: Don’t Make Aliyah To Israel – Save The Children! [LARGE PHOTO ESSAY]

    #1311641
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    There’s no Satmar Rebbe in France or Israel.

    #1311643
    Joseph
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    There are Satmar rabbonim in Eretz Yisroel. But the Rebbe is in America.

    Regarding France, to the best of my knowledge there aren’t even any Satmar Chasidim living in France. Though the Rebbes are involved in holy work for Klal Yisroel around the world, including for non-Chasidim. Satmar is renown for their chesed that they do for every Jew.

    #1311660
    Lightbrite
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    (Ooops gosh my phone turns my thats into thays. Is it in Medieval mode? I tried removing it from the word bank with no avail. Please don’t judge me! Thank you cheerio! ☺ )

    #1311661
    Lightbrite
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    So this Satmar Rebbe is in the US and pleading to all French Jews to stay put in France?

    #1311665
    zahavasdad
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    There are 2 Satmar’s Rebbe’s. They are brothers

    Neither of whom lives in France, One lives in Williamsburg and the other in Kiryat Joel. Their attitude to each other is well known

    #1311836
    Gadolhadorah
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    Its somewhat bizarre that a Rav who cannot even get along with his own brother feels competent to give musar to the yidden in France whose own sense of security is at risk. He says nothing about how they can resolve their security issues and instead uses his comments to exploit their fears and tell them their children will go OTD if they c’v move to eretz hakodesh where there security will be substantially approved.

    #1311843
    Joseph
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    Jews in the State of Israel face a greater terror threat than the Jews in France. Furthermore, it has been proven from past experience of many Jews moving to Israel that the government works overtime — unfortunately successfully in the past — to shmadb them against the Torah or otherwise turn frum Jews into chilonim through pubic schooling, etcetera. Hence the rabbonim shlita (including Rav Dovid Feinstein shlita and others), led by the Satmar Rebbe, are working to avoid such a catastrophe by encouraging French Jewry to build up their Torah community in France.

    #1311849
    anIsraeliYid
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    As noted in my response to the original article:

    It’s amazing how much of a parallel with the Meraglim in the Dor HaMidbar this presents. The Meraglim were the leaders of the nation, and felt that Am Yisrael was better off in the Midbar, where they were fed by HKB”H and had nothing to do but learn, rather than entering Eretz Yisrael, where they’d have the burden of parnassa and the need to fight the seven nations to deal with. This was the view of ten of the twelve Meraglim – a strong majority – but the right answer was that of Kalev and Yehoshua – “Tova ha’aretz me’od me’od” – the land is very, very good.

    I have lost all respect for the various feuding Satmar factions and their leaders. Their belief that Hashgacha Pratis ended in 1948, and that all thereafter is a Ma’ase Satan, and their maintenance of that stance to the detriment of their followers and all other Jews, is self-serving and destructive.

    an Israeli Yid

    #1311912
    zahavasdad
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    I once knew a Satmar from the Alter Heim. He told me a story how he once met a woman when he was younger who was bragging how none of her family had gone to either the United States or Israel

    #1312067
    Health
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    Joe -“Jews in the State of Israel face a greater terror threat than the Jews in France”

    This I agree with. And also in Israel there is a spiritual threat. The zionists that post here can’t begin to see the Truth. Wake up and smell the coffee & I’m Not Satmar!

    #1312438
    zahavasdad
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    Like Paris is such a spritual city and there is no temptation to do averaihs in Paris.

    #1315075
    cholent guy
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    If you live in Beitar or Modiin there isn’t a “spiritual threat”. Certainly not more than France.

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