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That’s strange I started a topic of what type of water people drink and the issues with tap water and someone even commented on it and suddenly the whole topic disappeared. Can the mods explain why?
Its an interesting topic, if you could avoid the diversion into pseudo-halacha. New York city tap water is legendary (at least in the minds of most New Yorkers who go OOT). Much of the so called “bottled water” sold is large (industrial scale) commercially purified water, NOT some pristine spring water from a bubbling brook (although the latter can have its own contamination issues).
Was my “list of issurim one violates by watching the superbowl” thread also deemed distortion? Just wondering why it wasn’t posted
The guess is you thought it was mussar although it hardly fulfilled the necessary qualifications
RW: First, relax, have a loooonnnggg drink of NYC’s finest tap water and share with us your preferences as between vaser mit gas/no-gas versus bugs/no-bugs (regardless of species).
Mods, my intention wasn’t to give mussar, it was to start a collaboration similar to what i did in my bochurishe years, where people would contribute their own ideas and debate which ones were applicable and where
I’m curious to know what you wrote, but if it was inappropriate, the fact that’s it was “btw” doesn’t kasher it.
Who says there’s a difference between the bugs in NYC water and broccoli? They’re both assur.
Distortion of halachik matter? Hey big Rabbi I asked how it’s allowed to drink tap water which contains micro shrimp called cope pods but it’s not allowed to eat broccoli. It’s called a discussion.
I don’t know what you’re talking about! we filter our tap water because of copepods but rav belsky says you don’t have to because can’t see it
one can see bugs in brocolli if he knows how to wash it whereas the bugs come out
Rav belskys heter was on multiple fronts: he held that it might not be considered visible, since it’s only visible against a black background (rav dovid feinstein held that this is considered visible), he also held that it’s not kavuah and you can rely on rov cups not containing cope pods. A 3rd heter is that it’s not a forbidden sheretz to begin with, because it was never shoretz al haarerz (interesting to note that based on this, he held that filters can potentially do more harm than good, because if there’s a hole and one gets stuck, it is now shoretz al haaretz and would be assur).
His heter was robust, but it was not on his list of shitos that made him not hold of a person who argues (the eruv and worms in the fish are on that list)
Filtering home water doesn’t cost ‘a fortune’. I’ve lived on wells for the past 30 years and have used a variety of water filter options. I considered installing RO when my home was being built. The quality of the water didn’t warrant it. I have an under sink filter for each faucet, where one would desire drinking or cooking water. My well water is pumped and treated with UV before it goes into a holding tank. Water that is used on my gardens or the pool does not use the water tank and is a separate system. I think that many folks don’t consider the waste involved with bottled water.
If everything you wrote was repeated in this thread, why are you all bent out of shape that they deleted it once?
I think you’re running wild with the conspiracy theories if you think the moderators on Yeshiva World sell NYC tap water.
His heter was robust, but it was not on his list of shitos that made him not hold of a person who argues (the eruv and worms in the fish are on that list)
Not robust at all. (They are visible without a black background).
Famously, when asked about the water, he responded that he held it was muttar, but others (referring to R’ Dovid Feinstein zt”l) asserted. Interesting that you say that the fish issue was a passeling issue since R’ Dovid was machmir… The eruv issue is based on a machlokes acharonim, so on the actual shaila you can’t passel someone for being meikil, but perhaps since in NYC R’ Moshe’s psak was accepted, he felt it’s מקום שנהגו בו איסור.
“I think you’re running wild with the conspiracy theories if you think the moderators on Yeshiva World sell NYC tap water…”
I actually am quite intrigued by this conspiracy theory in comparison with some of the mamash “tin hat” Qanon stuff we increasingly encounter here these days. Rumor has it that Mod 29 drives around town in a Rolls Royce provided by the NYC Water Board with vanity plates “Vasser1”.
Daas, I don’t know where you are getting these statements from – I learned by him for several years and was present during a lot of these “hock” issues as they unfolded in real time. I heard him say that it’s better to avoid filtered water in general, and i heard him explain his heterim in almost the exact wording i posted.
I heard him mock and excoriate rabbonim who assered the fish that contained the anisaskis worms, and there’s a fairly accessible recording of him exchanging insults with one such figure. He had extremely strong words for – up to mocking the names of – rabbis who allowed making an eruv in Brooklyn. There are many, many people who spent years learning by him who are easily accessible. He held a lot of rav dovid feinstein, but I never heard him bring him up as a “yesh omrim” the way you describe
Also, I’m not referring to my ability to passel rabbis due to their opinions on eruvin; I’m referring to the shitos of rav belsky, who did just that.
Avira, how do you address DassYochid’s difference with your description of the “robustness” of Rav Belsky’s water heter?
Also, Rav Belsky’s words regarding Rabbonim machmir on the fish would seemingly automatically apply to Rav Dovid, based on his machmir.
Ujm, daas – I can’t say with certainty, but the following might shed some light on it. I asked rav belsky once about rav elyashiv’s name appearing on the kol koreh, and he replied by saying that rav elyashiv’s wording of “if it’s what you say, then it is assur” implies that he did not believe the metzius to be what the Osrim were claiming, and that this statement was in fact a subtle way of saying that he did not believe it to be so. when I asked him about a different rov who i held in high esteem, he “mached avek” but didn’t insult him sharply either. My guess is that he would have said that rav dovid was misinformed.
I honestly can’t say with my own aidus that they are visible without a background, because even with glasses I have somewhat poor vision. I am merely relating what he said at the time. Have you examined clear water and seen them, after removing them and verifying with a magnifying glass that they are indees cope pods and not lint? Perhaps you are seeing something else?
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