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I don’t think so.
The guy was described by everyone who knew him as deranged, and a left wing nut.
The political tone in this country has always been like this.
I don’t think so either. Like you said, the killer is a left-wing commie nazi lunatic. And his intended victim is a right-of-center Democrat. And the killer has been ranting about mind control and currency stuff unrelated to any politics.
The political tone in this country has NOT always been like this. The vitriol in recent years reached levels not seen for many decades.
That said, there is no evidence that the prime suspect had any conventional political motives. He does not seem to have been affiliated with any mainstream left or right wing group and the one racist hate group that Fox News said he liked has claimed that it has no association with him. He appears to be just a very dangerous nut who was able to legally obtain a dangerous weapon and conceal it.
i dont agree that he his innocent,according to the news
I agree with Charlie Hall. This guy was instigated by the recent rhetoric in the country. Never before have people wished death upon a President and no action was taken. After all, this fellow had stalked her since 2007 – before Sarah Palin’s cross-hairs and long before the Tea Party’s emergence. That was during the Nancy Pelosi ( HERE and HERE ) days of rhetoric when a death wish upon a President was no big deal. I agree that we don’t have any concrete evidence that he shot Giffords because she was too conservative; however, did we have more evidence on Timothy Mcveigh? I see where his stances were and what philosophies he supported. Seems like the left has gone from death threats to actual killing sprees…
The whole problem here is that we’re calling this guy “crazy”
Some of his idea’s arent that far off
(well the mind controll stuff is a weird)
Especially the “one world government/currency”
The United Nations should not have the power that they do, the federal reserve shouldnt be able to control interest rates and manipulate markets they way they have. Even the President Of The United States should not be able to force you to buy health insurance.
Currency has everything to do with politics.
Go research what Ron Paul has said about the state of financial affairs and you’ll see that the shooter isnt as crazy as everyone thinks.
Dave Hirsch writes in part: “Seems like the left has gone from death threats to actual killing sprees… ” If you are saying that persons of left-wing political beliefs have engaged in killing sprees for the purpose of advancing their political beliefs, would you please identify the names of those persons, the dates of their killing sprees, and a brief description of the facts and circumstances that shows the killing sprees were for a political purpose or inspired by left-wing political rhetoric. And if you cannot or will not do so, please modify your post.
I think that sarah palin really had nothing to do with it, but it’s the Eibeshter’s way of ruining her popularity. And if HE wants her to become president, he’ll boost it up again.
@Popa, No I’m not, I already know that we’re about 3 or 4 generations from all of those “you owe it to the democrats jews” to be replaced by jews who realize that the far right (which actually respects truely pious people) is the way to go.
For me, it’s just a waiting game.
I dont endorse murder of politicans just because I oppose their views..but at the same time, maybe we need to start asking some tougher questions about the direction of this country
nfgo3,
Put my words in context. Yes, if I’d say that the reason for his rampage was rhetoric, as the left claims, then the rhetoric that got him started was those that I linked to. If Timothy Mcveigh (who dreamed about taking revenge in bullies…) was inspired by the right, then Jared Lee Loughner was inspired by the left. Then, when Bill Clinton will retract from his Oklahoma Bombing remarks, I will modify my choice of words. It’s very interesting to hear those words coming out of a liberal like you, the people that blamed this tragedy on the right. If I were a conspirator (like most of the “mainstream media”), I would claim that this rampage – that lead to the death of a Republican appointed Judge – was perpetrated because of Obama’s anti-court rhetoric at the “State of the Union.”
If anyone feels compelled to read the quoted posts themselves, they can Google them easily enough.
Folks, please let’s keep in mind the audience that reads and posts here, and don’t post a direct conduit to trash.
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Thank you, note taken, we definitely strive to keep the CR PG rated.
Listening to talk radio, there are two twains that will never meet:
Right wing – sure there’s enough blame to go around, and we can learn from this, but please, this was not Sarah Palin’s fault. The guy was sick.
Left wing – there is nothing to talk about. The blame is entirely on the right side, except for one teeny tiny offense Keith Olbermann’s already apologized for. And (direct quote from Randy Rhodes) don’t blame violence on mental illness! And another gem from RR (can’t remember who said what, her or a caller, though she offered the fascism definition and didn’t call the caller on the carpet): our demonstrations are peaceful. And yes, someone was dressed up as a fascist GWB but he IS a fascist, a fascist is someone who acts in a way that is in direct contradiction to the country’s interests.
It shows how crazy the left is. They don’t know why this guy shot up a bunch of people, but immediately they blame the extreme right. They have a problem with logic- if the guy was a right- wing terrorist, why target a democrat who’s in the middle? What- he couldn’t find any real liberal leftys? I think most of them are extreme leftys. He was probably an anarchist! I think they picked on Palin because they are scared that she will take away the women vote from them! Also, when a Muslim terrorist shot a bunch of people on a army base, all the politicians & media kept saying -don’t jump to conclusions -maybe this wasn’t a racist thing. Even days later, when they admitted that he was a Muslim terrorist, most of them couldn’t say the word “terrorist”. This tatic will backfire, just like it did when the left did it with Rabin’s murder and eventually Israel voted in the Right. So in the long run -this is a good thing -Obama and the left’s control of the Senate -their days are numbered, B”H!
Health,
Do you really think “the left” is afraid of Sarah Palin running for president? I would guess that if President Obama could list his favorites to oppose him as a candidate in 2012, Sarah Palin would be one of the first on the list.
Dave Hirsch: Neither of your first 2 posts make sense. I’ll give you one more chance. I suggest you see my first post and follow my suggestions.
Popa bar abba: I am not sure – and don’t care – whether the shooter of Congresswoman Giffords is a lefty, a righty, ambidextrous, or a pothead. He apparently is just plain nuts, though more information may emerge about him in the near future.
The connection between violent talk and a specific violent act is generally tenuous at best. Nevertheless, violent rhetoric has no place in intelligent political discourse not because it will prompt the deranged to kill people but because it degrades the quality of the political discourse and distracts from facts and reason.
anon for this -“Health, Do you really think “the left” is afraid of Sarah Palin running for president?”
I don’t think they are scared per say of her against Obama. What they are afraid of- is her presence in the national arena. She might have some women who have been blindly voting for the democrats because of their past record on “women rights”, to start thinking twice!
Those who who think that Democrats do not fear Sarah Palin have a basic lack of understanding of the Liberal mindset.
Linerals Beleive that all woman should be pro-abortion and men who are pro-choice are anti-womans rights.
Liberals beleive that woman should have careers and “large” families prevent that and those who believe in having large families are anti-womans rights.
Liberlas believe that Conservatives are inherently cruel and have no pity for minority’s hence have no appreciation for womans rights.
Libelrals believe that the only People who are conservatives are old white southern males.
Sarah Palin is a Wife, Mother of Five, Woman and proud conservative hence she shatters the core beliefs of Liberals.
Hence Sarah Palin is dangerous.
Now to fight Palin the attempt is being made to construe the woman who had an Israeli flag in her office as an anti-semite.
And Palin is the unintelligent one?
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